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Trump is a loser... of money

The problem with wealth tax is it can destroy a business. Many family businesses are passed on and weath tax can wreak havoc as many companies are asset rich but cash poor.
There would need to be some adjustments and thresholds... don't want to force a sale of the family farm.
 
The problem with wealth tax is it can destroy a business. Many family businesses are passed on and weath tax can wreak havoc as many companies are asset rich but cash poor.
You could defer the tax on an operating business until it is liquidated or have a phase in of the gain over 10-15 years to finance it. I don't want someone to sell the family farm, but if the family farm is worth $50M they could afford to sell a portion of it.

I'm probably just injecting my dislike for the trust fund kids into the solution on this issue... Just seems like they are doing more than okay and don't necessarily deserve to hoard wealth that their grandparents and parents built. Maybe we just levy an ******* tax... cuz some of them would pay loads of that.
 
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Probably... but I think the more likely case is the tax losses are closer to reality and he commuted bank fraud.

My experiences with real estate developers likely tints my view here... but there are logical reasons and tax rules that can explain that part of the equation.
So what is your explanation for 70,000 dollars for haircuts in a year?
 
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So what is your explanation for 70,000 dollars for haircuts in a year?
That’s a drop in the bucket but obviously not ordinary and necessary. Although if you were on tv or speaking a bunch in public you might have a hair and makeup person.

The losses are more a function of debt and depreciation.
 
That’s a drop in the bucket but obviously not ordinary and necessary. Although if you were on tv or speaking a bunch in public you might have a hair and makeup person.

The losses are more a function of debt and depreciation.
You can't lose more money than you take in 15 out of 20 years and call it depreciation. It's called losing money at some point and Trump is well past that point.

Companies sometimes save up depreciation over a few years and claim it all at once when needed to gain a strategic tax advantage. But if your depreciation is greater than profits more years than not you are losing money. Depreciation isn't just some tax trick, **** losses value over time. If you can't stay ahead of that then you will eventually go out of business.

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The problem with wealth tax is it can destroy a business. Many family businesses are passed on and weath tax can wreak havoc as many companies are asset rich but cash poor.

Would these be businesses that generate a significant profit, but can't secure a loan against their assets?
 
Would these be businesses that generate a significant profit, but can't secure a loan against their assets?
Possibly. Upon death, an appraisal is done (assuming a higher death tax transfer, in addition to any ongoing wealth tax such as the CA proposal). Most small businesses are worth more than their tangible assets, and are valued using a discounted cash flow/future projected earnings and perhaps a comparison to other businesses/market approach. Many business owners hold the vast majority of wealth through their businesses. Valuing a business that is ongoing using an asset approach is generally inappropriate. A large number of service based businesses have a high appraised value, with little underlying assets to secure a loan. Mezz debt, with very high interest is possible, with an even higher burden to a business. Even a 25% tax could raise havoc. I also like the idea of encouraging investment and growth. A large wealth tax can stifle that.

Assume a death wealth transfer tax of 50% with a bank that would lend 50% of a businesses appraisal, but projected excess cash flow will drive the amount of the loan. Most loans will be capped from a bank at 5 years assuming strong cash flow. Even with strong excess cash, this is a major burden to a business. Expect hiring freezes, lowered business expenses (restaurants are suffering now partially to halted in person business dinners. I have spent more on business dinners with referral sources and clients than I ever would for myself...). Also plan on reduced employee bonuses, reduced benefits, etc. Business owners generally share the burden. I see it frequently.

So if a new wealth and or estate tax is not carefully crafted, it could cause havoc. I am fine taxing billionaires to the point they will take it without fleeing the country or impacting middle class jobs. Countless jobs depend on the wealth of the ultra rich, and as much as I want everyone to pair their fair share, we need to consider potential economic fallout to ensure the result is more $ in the treasury collected, with little to no offset to the economy.

A minimum gross income tax on the ultra rich (on all earnings, including capital gains) would be a good start. Couple that with a 10% death tax on all wealth, with standardized appraisal standards subject to audit, payable in installments over 5-10 years, and that will be a decent burden shift. No spousaal exceptions, include gift transfers within 10 years of death.

I am open to fair tax for the ultra rich, I just don't trust our legislators promulgate regulations that will provide a net benefit.
 
You can't lose more money than you take in 15 out of 20 years and call it depreciation. It's called losing money at some point and Trump is well past that point.

Companies sometimes save up depreciation over a few years and claim it all at once when needed to gain a strategic tax advantage. But if your depreciation is greater than profits more years than not you are losing money. Depreciation isn't just some tax trick, **** losses value over time. If you can't stay ahead of that then you will eventually go out of business.

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I understand depreciation... but in real estate you take depreciation on an appreciating asset. It isn't a car or piece of machinery that depreciates. If you can accelerate depreciation when an asset is placed in service you can have situations where you have a tax loss and positive cash flow.

I do think Trump likely is losing money because over the long term you can't have that kind of negative cash flow or loss. He's likely cheating on his taxes too. The other issue is real estate is a roller coaster and if you are super leveraged it doesn't take much to create huge operating losses that carry forward.

Having seen the returns of many real estate developers over the years I just wasn't surprised... that's all. Its just different than your manufacturers and service companies.

I think he likely is a ****** business man and was bailed out with his "celebrity" income.
 
That’s a drop in the bucket but obviously not ordinary and necessary. Although if you were on tv or speaking a bunch in public you might have a hair and makeup person.

The losses are more a function of debt and depreciation.
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So what is your explanation for 70,000 dollars for haircuts in a year?
Is that for Donald Trump? I thought it was a family expense. Even so. But if Trump is paying that much for haircuts, he's definitely getting ripped off ... lol.
 
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