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Yeah self-reporting is the absolutely least effective way to gather data. It is never viewed as reliable in any scientific or statistical context. It is barely better than anecdotal evidence.

I'm not even challenging Ron's statement that racial profiling exists as I'm sure it does. But causation is not correlation. Here's an article from the New York Times explaining some of the reasons for the disparity between AA as a % of the population vs. AA % of incarceration rates:

First, the police are at least in part guided by suspect descriptions. And the descriptions provided by victims already show a large racial gap: Nearly 30 percent of reported offenders were black. So if the police simply stopped suspects at a rate matching these descriptions, African-Americans would be encountering police at a rate close to both the arrest and the killing rates.

Second, the choice of where to police is mostly not up to individual officers. And police officers tend to be most active in poor neighborhoods, and African-Americans disproportionately live in poverty.

In fact, the deeper you look, the more it appears that the race problem revealed by the statistics reflects a larger problem: the structure of our society, our laws and policies.

The war on drugs illustrates this kind of racial bias. African-Americans are only slightly more likely to use drugs than whites. Yet, they are more than twice as likely to be arrested on drug-related charges. One reason is that drug sellers are being targeted more heavily than users. With fewer job options, low-income African-Americans have been disproportionately represented in the ranks of drug sellers. In addition, the drug laws penalize crack cocaine — a drug more likely to be used by African-Americans — far more harshly than powder cocaine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/18/upshot/police-killings-of-blacks-what-the-data-says.html?mcubz=1


This is overblown just as with most thing people grab on to and run with are.
 
I really like that snippet. I've said it before, but it wouldn't matter to me if I agreed with Trump's ideology 100%, his behavior, his personality would prevent me from supporting him no matter what.

The question of if it would be worse to have Pence (someone I disagree with much more than Trump, as I see the religious-right as the absolute worst of the worst as far as their policies and what they represent) take over if we got rid of Trump, I don't care. I would take Pence over Trump any day any time no questions asked. I can absolutely handle the fact that people I disagree with hold office. But there is a bar for character and competence that Trump does not clear. He is simply not qualified to be President of the United States.

Your perference for religious right over Trump is about to get sorely tested if/when Roy Moore (a certifiable Christian nationalist kook) and more like him are elected to the Senate.

But, I agree.
 
I couldn't get through this without laughing. Are any of the other studies you posted worthwhile? I mean, basing an analysis on a survey is pretty far reaching. It's pretty easy to write off the fact that certain groups are more prone to not answering a survey correctly.

If any of the other ones are actual concrete evidence then I'll read them.

Thats fine if you didnt like that one. I would care more about it if there were not 100s of studies that come to the same conclusion along with the fact that it is easy to see everyday on a personal level.

I dont know how you will feel about the others. I just threw out a few of the basic ones that were convenient to post. Self reporting data is generally fairly accurate but regardless many of the other studies are based on a variety of things.

It does not really matter if they are good or not. If you dont want to believe them you will find problems with them. There is no such thing as a perfect study.
 
Your perference for religious right over Trump is about to get sorely tested if/when Roy Moore (a certifiable Christian nationalist kook) and more like him are elected to the Senate.

But, I agree.

i prefer thta kook over pelosi, and shummer

not to mention maxine waters, who never heald a real job but somehow is very rich!

dont ge tme wrong moore is crazy vfor wanting to make homosexuality illegal. what conesnting adults do is none of my biezwack
 
Those racial discussions are not exclusive to America. In Germany it's similar mainly with Turks and Germans of Turkish descent. In France you'll find conversations regarding ppl originally from Marocco, Algeria and Tunesia.

In Germany though researches have shown that if you analyze wealth and social circumstances of criminals, foreigners are not more likely to be criminal, they are just more likely to be poor. Yet newspapers and TV channels love to play the race card when reporting on crime. Instead of limiting their reporting to data more relevant to crime like age, they feel a strong urge or are being asked to mention foreign roots if available to paint the scapegoat picture of the ungrateful guest/foreigner.

Yet the very same ppl who point their fingers on perceived migration problems are solely loving to talk about whats wrong and not engage in serious discussion about how to improve the situation for those ethnic and social groups who appear to produce more criminals.
 
Those racial discussions are not exclusive to America. In Germany it's similar mainly with Turks and Germans of Turkish descent. In France you'll find conversations regarding ppl originally from Marocco, Algeria and Tunesia.

In Germany though researches have shown that if you analyze wealth and social circumstances of criminals, foreigners are not more likely to be criminal, they are just more likely to be poor. Yet newspapers and TV channels love to play the race card when reporting on crime. Instead of limiting their reporting to data more relevant to crime like age, they feel a strong urge or are being asked to mention foreign roots if available to paint the scapegoat picture of the ungrateful guest/foreigner.

Yet the very same ppl who point their fingers on perceived migration problems are solely loving to talk about whats wrong and not engage in serious discussion about how to improve the situation for those ethnic and social groups who appear to produce more criminals.

Why is being poor considered as an excuse to violent behavior?
Why was it safe for a white guy to walk in most suffered areas after 2011 Tohoku earthquake in Japan without any fear from the locals while black dominated suburbs in Africa are still dangerous? I hope, that you are not saying "well, tsunami and earthquake are piece of cake compared to apartheid and poor blacks have every right to assualt tourists". During the Soviet Union occupation our country was poor compared to US and never-ever would i did not thought about assaulting a rich finnish or swedish tourist.
Even in US, why there are practically zero confrontations between whites and asians?
Why the asians do not try to mass migrate to Europe?
 
Why is being poor considered as an excuse to violent behavior?
Why was it safe for a white guy to walk in most suffered areas after 2011 Tohoku earthquake in Japan without any fear from the locals while black dominated suburbs in Africa are still dangerous? I hope, that you are not saying "well, tsunami and earthquake are piece of cake compared to apartheid and poor blacks have every right to assualt tourists". During the Soviet Union occupation our country was poor compared to US and never-ever would i did not thought about assaulting a rich finnish or swedish tourist.
Even in US, why there are practically zero confrontations between whites and asians?
Why the asians do not try to mass migrate to Europe?

Because the world is not black + white. Statistically speaking though if working doesn't give ppl what they want from work, or they can't find work in the first place then they're more likely to explore other avenues to make a living. It's not the same for everyone obviously, there are even cultural differences when it comes to cheating.
Psychologically it's very clear which common denominators exist when it comes to crime and poverty. The same theories are also valid for white collar crime.
 
Kind of a bizarre development today as Pence attends the Colts 49ers game only to leave in protest after players kneeled during the anthem.

Clearly this was a stunt planned ahead of time. I mean, it's the 49ers! Of course they were going to kneel. Also, the press were told by the VP not to bother leaving their vans because there would likely be an early departure.

Of course, Donald being who he is, stole Pence's thunder and tweeted from the golf course that he told Pence to leave in protest.

The timing of this is interesting considering the scrutiny the administration is under for misuse of private jets by cabinet secretaries. From what I've seen the cost to fly Pence from Las Vegas to Indy and then back to LA have cost the taxpayer somewhere around a quarter of a million dollars.


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Yep. Costly, fake, and ultimately divisive. This administration is so lost and pathetic. Zero adult leadership.
 
kneeling after the event in vegas is cowardly and stupid. thye could have put it on hold.

but no they chose to be stupid and kneel!


it cost the taxpayers money, but it made its point!


and still cost less than the nfl gets in tax payer money yealry
 
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