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Two predictions re Hayward and the future of the team.

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#1. Hayward is good. He is probably our best player right now. As he gets more consistent he is going to get all star consideration. He is that good already. Anybody who says he is not does not watch the games consistently or only catches him on off nights. I think he could average 20 points 5 rebounds and 5 assists and be a great leader on this team. Not sure if he can be THE leader on this team, but get some good support around him and give this guy the team, and we will be better than we are this year. I am willing to bet anyone that he could lead a team to the second round, given the right help, which I think we have.

#2. I have confidence in our front office, and I think they know what they have in the young guys. A lot of you out there think kanter is going to be the next mailman. Maybe he is. But our fo does not seem to be banking on it. It seems to me that they believe they have four solid to very good players in the C4, and they are looking to add a championship piece or two. I would also be willing to bet that w will look back in two years and be very happy with the moves that Dennis Lindsay has made. (I have to throw the caveat in there that if we re sign big al or millsap at this point, that I rescind any predictions about our front office. Unless we sign one of them and then trade them for something awesome).

What do you guys think? Any predictions for this offseason or our young guys?
 
I expect Al and Sap will go on to their careers in different teams next year. We will sign a bunch of veteran scrubs and tank unintentionally for Jabari Parker. Corbin will coach 2013-2014 season. After we draft him, Parker will go to his mission. Hayward will sign with the Jazz, Favors will sign with another team in 2014 summer. We will sign another bunch of veteran scrubs and tank unintentionally for 2015 draft. Kanter and Burks will sign with diffrent teams in 2015 summer. Jabari will return in 2016.
 
I like Hayward A LOT. That being said, if he was our third best player, we would be competing for championships.
 
green said:
I like Hayward A LOT. That being said, if he was our third best player, we would be competing for championships.
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I dunno I could see a team with a really going #1 guy, Hayward as a 2 with a 3 and 4 being nearly as good as Hayward.

The big question is what is Hayward's value? I don't think he is a max guy, but what is his value.
 
jazzyapma said:
I expect Al and Sap will go on to their careers in different teams next year. We will sign a bunch of veteran scrubs and tank unintentionally for Jabari Parker. Corbin will coach 2013-2014 season. After we draft him, Parker will go to his mission. Hayward will sign with the Jazz, We will sign another bunch of veteran scrubs and tank unintentionally for 2015 draft. Kanter and Burks will sign with diffrent teams in 2015 summer. Jabari will return in 2016.
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You don't think the jazz will want Favors back?
 
b_liner1 said:
#1. Hayward is good. He is probably our best player right now. As he gets more consistent he is going to get all star consideration. He is that good already. Anybody who says he is not does not watch the games consistently or only catches him on off nights. I think he could average 20 points 5 rebounds and 5 assists and be a great leader on this team. Not sure if he can be THE leader on this team, but get some good support around him and give this guy the team, and we will be better than we are this year. I am willing to bet anyone that he could lead a team to the second round, given the right help, which I think we have.

#2. I have confidence in our front office, and I think they know what they have in the young guys. A lot of you out there think kanter is going to be the next mailman. Maybe he is. But our fo does not seem to be banking on it. It seems to me that they believe they have four solid to very good players in the C4, and they are looking to add a championship piece or two. I would also be willing to bet that w will look back in two years and be very happy with the moves that Dennis Lindsay has made. (I have to throw the caveat in there that if we re sign big al or millsap at this point, that I rescind any predictions about our front office. Unless we sign one of them and then trade them for something awesome).

What do you guys think? Any predictions for this offseason or our young guys?
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Hayward is looking very very good. As someone else posted, when he is playing "point forward" he does really nice things and runs the offense very well. If he can develop a runner for the lane, he will be really tough to stop. There are few like him in the league. If he keeps this up and adds a bit, he will be an all-star.
 
Qman said:
I dunno I could see a team with a really going #1 guy, Hayward as a 2 with a 3 and 4 being nearly as good as Hayward.

The big question is what is Hayward's value? I don't think he is a max guy, but what is his value.
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I think we are basically saying the same thing. Hayward isn't good enough to be your #1. If you had a #1 better than Hayward, then another player at Hayward's level, if not better, the Jazz are competing for titles.

Players producing about the same as Hayward are being paid between 7-12 million. I think fair value for Hayward would be a 4 year 45-ish million dollar deal. Give him salaries of roughly 10, 10.5, 11, 11.5.
 
green said:
I think we are basically saying the same thing. Hayward isn't good enough to be your #1. If you had a #1 better than Hayward, then another player at Hayward's level, if not better, the Jazz are competing for titles.

Players producing about the same as Hayward are being paid between 7-12 million. I think fair value for Hayward would be a 4 year 45-ish million dollar deal. Give him salaries of roughly 10, 10.5, 11, 11.5.
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Hayward is a good enough leader if you want to be what the jazz have been the last ten plus years and never win a ring. If you want to win a ring, it's probably best to have a superstar plus a couple Hayward's. the alternative, which might be how we end up is to have like five or six very very good players. It might be good enough to make the finals. Who knows. With the four we have now, I don't see any of them becoming all world, but I do see them being very very good to almost great. Lets hope we can add a couple more good pieces, and not sign a ridiculous player like Jefferson to ruin it.
 
I am really surprised by the results-oriented thinking of Jazz fans.. Hayward is the best player of the Jazz? Come on. As much as I love this kid, I don't think he can be a reliable starter at all. He is more suited for the 6th man role.
And right now Favors should be the best Jazz, though Kanter will probably surpass him next year.
 
jjscap said:
I am really surprised by the results-oriented thinking of Jazz fans.. Hayward is the best player of the Jazz? Come on. As much as I love this kid, I don't think he can be a reliable starter at all. He is more suited for the 6th man role.
And right now Favors should be the best Jazz, though Kanter will probably surpass him next year.
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are you kidding me? Hayward can't be a reliable starter? Why do so many other teams want him then? Why would phoenix want to trade for him? Why do other players say he will be an all star? What is with the Hayward hate? The guy can play. He can defend decently, he can get our team into the offense, he can shoot, he can dribble, and he can just flat out play. He might not be Lebron or kobe, but he is a good player. better than average starter. If you said he was not going to be a consistent all star, that would be believable, but the notion that you think he could not be a starter is preposterous.
 
Much love for G-Time. He's turning into one of the most versatile 2 way wing players in the league. Even on a bad shooting night, he can still make a difference with his playmaking. If he adds a runner/floater in traffic to his game, I can see him averaging 18-5-5 per game easily given his ability to get to the ft line. His ceiling, hmm, I think David Lee in the sense that he will be underrated by some and overrated by some, but consensus borderline all-star each year while making 1-2 all-star games. In otherwords, not a number 1 option for a championship team, but a solid 2/3. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing at all. Too big yo.
 
jjscap said:
I am really surprised by the results-oriented thinking of Jazz fans.. Hayward is the best player of the Jazz? Come on. As much as I love this kid, I don't think he can be a reliable starter at all. He is more suited for the 6th man role.
And right now Favors should be the best Jazz, though Kanter will probably surpass him next year.
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Gerden might be a legit sixth man when he's like 31 or something, but he's in the youth of his career and is putting up nearly 15 a game...

And it's the Haywerd, dude.
 
He is more talented than most NBA starters but a starter must bring his A game on a consistent basis. If not, he should come off the bench. Perhaps he can be a solid starter. His next year performance will give us a better idea. But saying he is the best Jazz player is ridiculous.
 
Lots of tards have a warped view of "consistency." I swear, Hayward has one game where he doesn't put the ball in the hoop that well (just one aspect of playing well), and that's excuse enough for the tards to re-live the "consistency issue."

Look at PPP, true shooting percentage, excuse a few games post injury, have a realistic view of consistency... and whamO, Hayfever just might be the best jazz player. Put him next to a good drive-and-dish PG and he will look even better.

Next year:
37 min/gm ... 18 ppg ... 4 rpg ... 4 apg ... 44% fg ... 41% 3pt

^ that's an all-star unless the West's Coach is another one of them tards
 
NAOS said:
Lots of tards have a warped view of "consistency." I swear, Hayward has one game where he doesn't put the ball in the hoop that well (just one aspect of playing well), and that's excuse enough for the tards to re-live the "consistency issue."

Look at PPP, true shooting percentage, excuse a few games post injury, have a realistic view of consistency... and whamO, Hayfever just might be the best jazz player. Put him next to a good drive-and-dish PG and he will look even better.

Next year:
37 min/gm ... 18 ppg ... 4 rpg ... 4 apg ... 44% fg ... 41% 3pt

^ that's an all-star unless the West's Coach is another one of them tards
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I agree with this except two things:

It is not cool to use tard as a putdown.

Hayward came off of injury straight ballin. Dont remember the stats, but I think the four games after his injury were like some of the best games he had this year.

Hayward will be an all star if people can get over his non flashy ways
 
jjscap said:
He is more talented than most NBA starters but a starter must bring his A game on a consistent basis. If not, he should come off the bench. Perhaps he can be a solid starter. His next year performance will give us a better idea. But saying he is the best Jazz player is ridiculous.
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Who has played a better all around game than Hayward since the All Star Break?
 
jjscap said:
He is more talented than most NBA starters but a starter must bring his A game on a consistent basis. If not, he should come off the bench. Perhaps he can be a solid starter. His next year performance will give us a better idea. But saying he is the best Jazz player is ridiculous.
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If you look at Hayward all around, he is probably is the best. He plays solid D, is a very good ball handler and passer, is an excellent shooter and is becoming increasingly more consistent with his shot, and is a good finisher. All he really needs is playing time and to add some strength, which he should be able to do, considering he is still very young. His lack of consistency, I think, has a lot to do with his minutes and the way Corbin has been using him -- Corbin sucks big time!
 
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