Two Trade Idea

[Handlogten's Heros]

Forgot they have already traded their 2019 pick.

Overall, I think Sacramento takes Rubio over Hill in a heartbeat because Hill has failed there and Hill makes $4-5 million more than Rubio this and next year.

As for Hood, I think Sacramento would love to have him.

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They might... I just think the three team deal where we send Rubio to Phoenix, and Phoenix sends Dudley (and expirings for cap reasons) to Sacramento makes a little more sense.

I get the feeling from Locke that Hill wasn't a great locker room guy, but I also swear I heard him gush about the guy last year. I don't know if the exit was pretty, but as long as the locker room situation isn't too bad I would much rather have Hill right now.

 

[LoPo]

They might... I just think the three team deal where we send Rubio to Phoenix, and Phoenix sends Dudley (and expirings for cap reasons) to Sacramento makes a little more sense.

I get the feeling from Locke that Hill wasn't a great locker room guy, but I also swear I heard him gush about the guy last year. I don't know if the exit was pretty, but as long as the locker room situation isn't too bad I would much rather have Hill right now.

Hill makes more basketball sense since the emergence of Mitchell. Rubio, though, seems to mesh well with Mitchell and others in the locker room sense.

I would only get Hill if we gain another asset, even a minor one, in the process. Even if we just had the option to switch spots. Hill is a terrible contract this year and next.

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[NUMBERICA]

Hill is a terrible contract this year and next.

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Which really doesn't matter (outside of the opportunity cost of a possibly better way to use that cap).

I think your trades are too tilted in the Jazz's favor/bad for the other team. I think getting just a pick swap out of the Kings and sending expiring salary + Hood is asking too much. But I like this conversation about Hill.

 

[LoPo]

Which really doesn't matter (outside of the opportunity cost of a possibly better way to use that cap).

I think your trades are too tilted in the Jazz's favor/bad for the other team. I think getting just a pick swap out of the Kings and sending expiring salary + Hood is asking too much. But I like this conversation about Hill.

So 2 proven starters (Rubio and Hood) for a guy who is struggling and already rumored to be unnecessary (Hill) and a pick swap is too much for us?

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[NUMBERICA]

So 2 proven starters (Rubio and Hood) for a guy who is struggling and already rumored to be unnecessary (Hill) and a pick swap is too much for us?

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Considering they aren't in cap hell, don't need a (crappy) PG, and losing a lottery pick? Yes.

I of course would be thrilled to be wrong.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Another idea... this again rides on the idea that Phoenix would want Rubio and that they still had interest in Favs (rumors were they liked him last year)

Utah Out: Favs, Rubio, Joe Johnson
Utah In: Clarkson, KCP

Phoenix Out: Monroe
Phoenix In: Rubio Favs

LAL Out: Clarkson, KCP
LAL In: Joe Johnson, KCP

I assume LA would buy out JJ, but this gets Clarkson off the books. KCP isn't coming back to them next year no matter what. Clarkson seems to have a slightly negative value around the league even though he has played really well.

We may have to sweeten the deal for Phoenix or substitute Ricky with AB, but I think its workable.

We may be able to keep KCP. He won't come with bird rights so the most we could offer him is 4/90, which I would guess gets it done. I think he's an excellent fit next to DM... I don't think he is a better offensive player than Hood as Hood can create his own shot, but he is more durable and a really good defender. Would give us some Hood insurance.

If LA is convinced they can get two max players next year this gets them close enough I believe... they may have to waive and stretch Deng still to get there, but if LBJ and PG said they would come one could take a slight haircut and the LAL could afford to take the financial hit with Deng.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So 2 proven starters (Rubio and Hood) for a guy who is struggling and already rumored to be unnecessary (Hill) and a pick swap is too much for us?

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I don't see any scenario where they would swap picks with us. Hood is redundant with their young guys... they Hield, Bojan, Justin Jackson, Richardson all that can play minutes at the two. Plus they have Garrett Temple (a vet they'd like to keep happy).

I'm not sure they'd do Rubio for Hill straight up... I think it is an awful fit for them. I know they would not do Hood for a pick swap.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Which really doesn't matter (outside of the opportunity cost of a possibly better way to use that cap).

I think your trades are too tilted in the Jazz's favor/bad for the other team. I think getting just a pick swap out of the Kings and sending expiring salary + Hood is asking too much. But I like this conversation about Hill.

I agree here... a Rubio for Hill swap is a win for us... only costs us $4M in cap space next year. We don't really have cap space next year... that is a bit of a myth that some continue to believe.

 

[LoPo]

Considering they aren't in cap hell, don't need a (crappy) PG, and losing a lottery pick? Yes.

I of course would be thrilled to be wrong.

I respect your opinion. I just feel that Hood is more of a sure thing than a pick in the 7-12 range. And he fits with Hield and Fox for the long term.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

I respect your opinion. I just feel that Hood is more of a sure thing than a pick in the 7-12 range. And he fits with Hield and Fox for the long term.

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Kings will be drafting in the top 5 doe. They may want to offload Hill to ensure more losses.

 

[LoPo]

I don't see any scenario where they would swap picks with us. Hood is redundant with their young guys... they Hield, Bojan, Justin Jackson, Richardson all that can play minutes at the two. Plus they have Garrett Temple (a vet they'd like to keep happy).

I'm not sure they'd do Rubio for Hill straight up... I think it is an awful fit for them. I know they would not do Hood for a pick swap.

Well in that case, Hill is probably not an option.

Rubio for Hill straight up wont work financially. Who would we add? Would we dump a Udoh, Royce, Neto, Bradley or another to get Hill?

Favors and JoeJ for Hill would be ignorant unless we got their pick.

Can't see any other logical breakdown for Hill without going 3rd team. Regardless, we have to send out more than Rubio to get Hill.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Well in that case, Hill is probably not an option.

Rubio for Hill straight up wont work financially. Who would we add? Would we dump a Udoh, Royce, Neto, Bradley or another to get Hill?

Favors and JoeJ for Hill would be ignorant unless we got their pick.

Can't see any other logical breakdown for Hill without going 3rd team. Regardless, we have to send out more than Rubio to get Hill.

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The difference is small enough that it could easily be solved, but I think a three team trade in that scenario makes more sense. They would also have a roster crunch so they'd have to waive Carter or send another player back. So maybe Epke/Rubio for Hill and Richardson. I don't think they want Rubio though. I think they'd just turn it over to the young guys.

Its the Kings though... nothing ever makes a lot of sense with them.