Ty Corbin is...

[PrinceJL]

Damn near .500 with _________________

I'll start.

No offseason, Rockie Mountain Review, no training camp.
Two rookie projects and two sophomores who did little their rookie year and he wasn't allowed to work with them in the offseason.
No backcourt.
Not a single All-Star.
No starting point guard.
CJ Miles.
No John Wall, Steph Curry, Deron Williams, Kyrie Irving, or loaded pieces teams like Golden State and Sacramento.
No 3 point shooting whatsoever--point two ninety nine.
Raja is the only player over 34% with a meaningful amount of 3 point attempts.
Minnesota is only 2 games better with so much more talent.

But Tyrone Corbin sucks and is unprepared to coach, right chode monkeys?
Still too early to tell, but if this team finishes in between 8-10th in the West, I say he's done a good (not great) job given all of the above.

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An offense designed to (only) get Al Jefferson the ball is a major FAIL imo..... Why, working inside out seems to work (esp in playoffs) & hopefully it has clicked w/ Al that passing back out opens up the game for everyone...

Corbin hasn't shown to be very competent. Isn't developing the young players, bad rotations, poor job of preparing and motivating his team to play on the road, lack of in-game adjustments, inability to exploit matchups, bad use of timeouts/end of game plays, and most of all a complete FAIL of an offensive system. In this condensed season, I think he is trying to keep everyone involved. Enes is soo young & outside of his put-packs, his O still needs work (4th big). Burks aggressiveness is a breath of fresh air but we are just so deep at the wings, it's hard to get him playing time w/o the risk of losing CJ/Bell's contribution in this truncated season. My only criticism is Coach not playing the hot hands to close out the games (but he's not Coach Pop).

Even with Masked Mamba and Deron Williams on this team, this offense would still be fail. They'd stand around the 3 point line and feed the ball to Jefferson. Jefferson would then continue to shoot low percentages, never get to the FT line, and try and score against triple teams. Jazz would still be losing and the rest of the players would remain frustrated. This team is still missing a perimeter threat. This is where i think Klay Thompson (taken just ahead of Burks) could've helped.

The lack of contributions we're receiving from Favors, Millsap, the PGs, and the wings is a direct result of a stagnant offense that isn't putting guys like Hayward in successful positions. In fact, other than Jefferson, who is having success in this offense? Burks stands out because HE DOESN'T RUN THE OFFENSE. He freelances, drives, gets to the hole and FT line. He makes something out of nothing. He's creating success DESPITE the offense not because of it. Here is where I think Coach shouldve stayed w/ his gut & have Favors (foul trouble curtailed this move) start over Millsap & have Burks start in place of Raja (make a less is more trade, ala Brewer). Harris-Burks-Howard-Favors-Jefferson (Millsap/Hayward/Watson/CJ/Enes)

This has NEVER been true of the Jazz offense. Typically, the Jazz offense made poor players look average and average players look very good. Instead, we're seeing an offensive system that is making our good and talented players, (Harris, Favors, Millsap, Hayward, etc) look worse than they really are. Harris is at his best when his just pushes the ball, Favors is still raw but progressing nicely, Millsap should be the 3rd big, Hayward's shot may always be inconsistent, CJ played his best when slashing/not shooting 3s, Jefferson has been passing out of the post more, Howard has been a nice pick-up, Watson is great has been great w/ the kids, Bell should get traded to a contender, & Burks/Enes' have been casualties of a the lockout/NCAA eligibility.

The ONLY person who is looking half decent is Jefferson. Because the offense is (too) oriented towards him. I bet if we had knock-down shooters, this team would be much better w/ the way we utilize Al.

For example, take Hayward for example. Hayward's game isn't to stand out by the 3 point line and feed the ball inside ala Kyle Korver. His game is more of an AK style, slashing, coming off picks, and creating off the dribble. Sounds like he & Burks are the same type of player then.

It's Ty's job to put players like Hayward in successful positions. He hasn't. Hence, our offense for a better portion of 2 years has sucked. Ya can't blame the horrible offense all on the losses of Booz, Memo, and Deron. Coach did have Hayward come off the bench & I think he should continue to do so, w/ Burks starting over Bell (please trade him to LAC for their TPE)

 

[Jazz4ever]

I don't completely blame Ty. It is damn near impossible to design an offense without capable three point shooters on the floor.

 

[bordelais7]

If the goal this season is to play "near .500" ball, then Corbin is doing great.

 

[franklin]

I don't completely blame Ty. It is damn near impossible to design an offense without capable three point shooters on the floor.

Exactly.

Jazz have been outscored 3919 to 3868 this season. If they shot a modest 34% from three, which is what they are allowing, then they would add another 60 points there alone. Total jumps to 3919 to 3928. Respectable 3 point shooting would open the inside and increase AJ, Millsap, Favors, and Kanter efficiency.

The extra 60 points alone is worth 5-6 more wins and we'd be screaming TY COY with a very respectable 25-15 record.

 

[Siro]

An offense designed to (only) get Al Jefferson the ball is a major FAIL imo.....

Corbin hasn't shown to be very competent. Isn't developing the young players, bad rotations, poor job of preparing and motivating his team to play on the road, lack of in-game adjustments, inability to exploit matchups, bad use of timeouts/end of game plays, and most of all a complete FAIL of an offensive system.

Even with Masked Mamba and Deron Williams on this team, this offense would still be fail. They'd stand around the 3 point line and feed the ball to Jefferson. Jefferson would then continue to shoot low percentages, never get to the FT line, and try and score against triple teams. Jazz would still be losing and the rest of the players would remain frustrated.

The lack of contributions we're receiving from Favors, Millsap, the PGs, and the wings is a direct result of a stagnant offense that isn't putting guys like Hayward in successful positions. In fact, other than Jefferson, who is having success in this offense? Burks stands out because HE DOESN'T RUN THE OFFENSE. He freelances, drives, gets to the hole and FT line. He makes something out of nothing. He's creating success DESPITE the offense not because of it.

This has NEVER been true of the Jazz offense. Typically, the Jazz offense made poor players look average and average players look very good. Instead, we're seeing an offensive system that is making our good and talented players, (Harris, Favors, Millsap, Hayward, etc) look worse than they really are.

The ONLY person who is looking half decent is Jefferson. Because the offense is (too) oriented towards him.

For example, take Hayward for example. Hayward's game isn't to stand out by the 3 point line and feed the ball inside ala Kyle Korver. His game is more of an AK style, slashing, coming off picks, and creating off the dribble.

It's Ty's job to put players like Hayward in successful positions. He hasn't. Hence, our offense for a better portion of 2 years has sucked. Ya can't blame the horrible offense all on the losses of Booz, Memo, and Deron.

My rep gave you an extra green bar! I don't know what that means, but I feel cool.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

The extra 60 points alone is worth 5-6 more wins and we'd be screaming TY COY with a very respectable 25-15 record.

I'd say more like one or two...possibly three. An extra 60 points is less than extra two points per game. We have no clue where those points would come from but chances are, they come at home games where our players are more confident and we're winning anyway.

 

[franklin]

The disappointing part to me is over halfway through the season there's still no noticeable improvement in our execution and strategically

I agree it's disappointing but what do you expect when you're railing on CJ like you did below? They don't have any shooters at the arc and seemingly noone can run the Harpring/DeShawn curl with any efficiency. What choice does Corbin really have? (aside from playing the youngins and tanking like I want him to)

No backcourt.Devin Harris was a borderline all-star in NJ and excelled in situations where he was allowed to use his speed in the open court and driving down the lane. There's a reason Dallas traded him to get Jason Kidd. This was all out there, you knew exactly what Harris brought to the table and what he didn't. Same with Raja Bell - you saw what he did for you last season. There should be no suprises with veterans like Harris and Raja. Ultimately it's up to the coach to put players like them in the best position to succeed - whether that be on the court or on the bench.

Harris sucks ***. There's a reason NJ didn't win anything with him.

It is Ty's decision to not only play CJ 20 min a game

Legit. The only reason to play CJ ten seconds a game is to shop him. I'm giving KOC and Corbin by extension the benefit of the doubt. A lot on here are even saying CJ has worth to a contender needing a bench.

I'm not even sure what this means, but prior to the season everyone would have put Utah's stock of young talent and trade chips up against both the Warriors and the Kings.

Amusing. Jazz have no DeMarcus Cousins or Steph Curry level talent.

 

[franklin]

I'd say more like one or two...possibly three. An extra 60 points is less than extra two points per game. We have no clue where those points would come from but chances are, they come at home games where our players are more confident and we're winning anyway.

Better and more consistent 3 point shooting would help the lost games most. Teams tend to lose games they shoot the poorest. Sure it would also bring better margins in the wins but erasing those 1 for 16 games would be more visible. Plus, a huge 3 point shot goes a long way to kill those momentum runs that bury teams.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Amusing. Jazz have no DeMarcus Cousins or Steph Curry level talent.

I agree on most of your points but this one. Like you've said Harris did in NJ, Evans and Cousins have won jack**** in Sacramento. Not only have they not won but they've been pretty freakin' bad. And Cousins, who I like (almost love) by the way, is so talented that he's shooting 43.9% from the floor. The kid rebounds great. And he's quite, quite skilled. So yeah, he has talent. But so did Derrick Coleman. In spades. And it doesn't matter if it doesn't translate on the court. In short, my point is Cousins and Evans is far less talent than Favors, Kanter, Burks, Hayward, Jefferson and Millsap. In short, to say GS and Sacramento are loaded with talent is a joke. They have two players who have very good talent. They're hardly "loaded."

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Franklin,

We've shot 31.2% at home and 28.6% on the road. Assuming we went up at home to the modest 34% you mention (unless you want to be absurd and believe that we'd actually shoot better on the road), we would've had to have made another seven three pointers in our 20 home games thusfar in total for the season. That's another 21 points which means that we'd only get another 39 points over the 20 road games. Again, this is less than two points a game, even still.

By saying we'd win another 5-6 games, you're basically saying we'd have to somehow have shot better from three on the road than at home (not happening) or accumulated all 39 of those "extra points" in those five or six wins you say we'd have gotten, and not in any of the other 14 or 15 road games. Again, very, very unlikely.

 

[franklin]

So maybe I exaggerated the number, maybe not. There's too many variables to put any number on it.

The reasons behind the 5-6 number were outside shooting being streaky and the Jazz having a ton of exceptionally terrible 3 point shooting games. Jazz lost to Lakers and Mavericks at home in 3 point decisions with sub 30% free throw shooting.

That's just the first 15 games. Add 4 of 18 against TOR at home in a 5 point loss, 3 of 11 against the Clippers in a 2 point loss at home, and this thing is easily 4 more wins just from the increased points alone.

Start adding in the compounding effects like better floor spacing, AJ being willing to pass to a guy who can actually shoot, stopping runs, starting your own runs, not creating easy transition for the defense on long rebounds... Jazz could easily have 5 to 6 more wins.

I realize it's hard to say that with this squad (which only helps the case against Ty), but if it were something like:
AJ
Millsap
G. Wallace
Competent 2
Harris

then it would be much easier to picture a winning squad making a push for the 4th seed.

 

[franklin]

I agree on most of your points but this one. Like you've said Harris did in NJ, Evans and Cousins have won jack**** in Sacramento. Not only have they not won but they've been pretty freakin' bad. And Cousins, who I like (almost love) by the way, is so talented that he's shooting 43.9% from the floor. The kid rebounds great. And he's quite, quite skilled. So yeah, he has talent. But so did Derrick Coleman. In spades. And it doesn't matter if it doesn't translate on the court. In short, my point is Cousins and Evans is far less talent than Favors, Kanter, Burks, Hayward, Jefferson and Millsap. In short, to say GS and Sacramento are loaded with talent is a joke. They have two players who have very good talent. They're hardly "loaded."

You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.

Tangent rant: I wasn't implying that talent = winning. Thanks for pointing that out. I'm more than pissed at Minny, GS, Clippers, and now Washington wasting good draft picks with ****ty internal management. Prolly the only time I agree with LeBron is selling two of these jackass owned teams to the waste bin.