Unions... Forced Dues???

[RJF]

To the point of the thread though, if you reap the rewards of the CBA, you should pay dues. If you don't get those same benefits then you should not pay dues.

 

[RJF]

Gregory Rayburn, and other execs also still got their enormous bonuses in the face of shuttering and liquidating. The rest of the 19,000 who were instantly out of work got pennies, if anything. Man, I thought I was over this but it still gets my blood boiling!

 

[bigb]

Some good points. I think we lost one holiday (Christmas eve) and iirc we went to pto only pre union.
The occurrence system did go from 8 to 6.

As for the scare tactics of the company cutting pto, wages, etc... that may in fact be the case. Maybe it was just a scare tactic. But I remember other company's making drastic, negative changes during the recession and I believe that dannon was going to in fact make some negative changes of their own.

And things can be looked at both ways. Maybe the occurrences would have decreased union or not, maybe we lose the holiday union or not, etc.


As for the layoffs.... I might seem like a dick for saying this but I would rather have people get laid off and myself get more hours/pay than everyone keep their job while my hours and pay decrease. Gotta look out for myself.

I would hate for the company to be able to **** with my hours, pay, pto, pension, etc as they see fit due to volume or whatever.
The best thing about the union imo is the fact that everything is on paper and cannot be changed on the whims of management.

So is everybody in your plant union? Or are some not part?

 

[fishonjazz]

So is everybody in your plant union? Or are some not part?

Not everyone is union.

I would say it's something like 70% union and 30% non union maybe.

 

[fishonjazz]

To the point of the thread though, if you reap the rewards of the CBA, you should pay dues. If you don't get those same benefits then you should not pay dues.

I agree

 

[bigb]

Not everyone is union.

I would say it's something like 70% union and 30% non union maybe.

Reading your posts, I'm under the impression you're union. Do the other employees regularly get fewer hours? Do they get the same amount of holidays? Do they get paid the same?

 

[fishonjazz]

Reading your posts, I'm under the impression you're union. Do the other employees regularly get fewer hours? Do they get the same amount of holidays? Do they get paid the same?

Yes I'm union.
Yes the other guys get the same benefits of the union contract that I get.

I think that should not be the case though. I think that if you don't want to be part of the union and don't want to pay dues then you shouldn't get the benefits that the cba provides. I don't know how that would work though, I just think it sucks that I pay my dues and others don't yet we get the same pay and benefits.

In fact, I have considered leaving the union to save the $8 per week since I have a baby on the way and my wife will no longer be working so every penny counts.


To be clear, I'm not a pro union guy or a non union guy like some people are. I have no agenda. The union tried to come into my workplace many times and I voted no each time. Then we got a new plant manager, new management team, and the recession hit and I finally decided to vote for the union and the vote of the plant ended up in favor of the union.
So far I think that the union has done a good job and our employees are better off with the union than without.... I have no way of knowing for certain if that is the case since I don't know what my plant would be like without the union but my gut says it's been good so far

 

[bigb]

Yes I'm union.
Yes the other guys get the same benefits of the union contract that I get.

I think that should not be the case though. I think that if you don't want to be part of the union and don't want to pay dues then you shouldn't get the benefits that the cba provides. I don't know how that would work though, I just think it sucks that I pay my dues and others don't yet we get the same pay and benefits.

In fact, I have considered leaving the union to save the $8 per week since I have a baby on the way and my wife will no longer be working so every penny counts.


To be clear, I'm not a pro union guy or a non union guy like some people are. I have no agenda. The union tried to come into my workplace many times and I voted no each time. Then we got a new plant manager, new management team, and the recession hit and I finally decided to vote for the union and the vote of the plant ended up in favor of the union.
So far I think that the union has done a good job and our employees are better off with the union than without.... I have no way of knowing for certain if that is the case since I don't know what my plant would be like without the union but my gut says it's been good so far

Yeah, that's kind of messed up.

 

[franklin]

Yes I'm union.
Yes the other guys get the same benefits of the union contract that I get.

I think that should not be the case though. I think that if you don't want to be part of the union and don't want to pay dues then you shouldn't get the benefits that the cba provides. I don't know how that would work though, I just think it sucks that I pay my dues and others don't yet we get the same pay and benefits.

In fact, I have considered leaving the union to save the $8 per week since I have a baby on the way and my wife will no longer be working so every penny counts.


To be clear, I'm not a pro union guy or a non union guy like some people are. I have no agenda. The union tried to come into my workplace many times and I voted no each time. Then we got a new plant manager, new management team, and the recession hit and I finally decided to vote for the union and the vote of the plant ended up in favor of the union.
So far I think that the union has done a good job and our employees are better off with the union than without.... I have no way of knowing for certain if that is the case since I don't know what my plant would be like without the union but my gut says it's been good so far

Agreed with every bit of this. I'm also not pro union or anti union either, but $8/week seems like a no brainer.

What I am strongly pro, however, is a system that checks laissez faire in a reasonable fashion that also allows the market to function properly, meaning all boats are lifted with the rising tide.

I think it's quite sad how unions have been destroyed over the years but I also see how it was them destroying themselves. I'm not talking the overburdening contracts that bankrupt companies either. More along the lines of the DetroitCo-Union-Political complex that together destroyed this nation's manufacturing powerhouse and has left a very large city in destitution.

 

[franklin]

Working for the state of utah, my situation is completely ****ed. We legally cannot unionize and there is no real ethical manner a state union can operate either. They got us by the balls at this point & they know it.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I think that if you want to get the benefits that the union fought to get in the contract (raises, 401K company matches, pto increases, pension etc) and want the union reps to go to bat for you in disputes (disciplinary discrepancies, suspensions, firings) then you should have to pay the dues.

If none of that stuff is important to you and you want to with things on your own then you shouldn't have to pay dues

Yes, but that was when unions focused solely on jobs, working conditions and wages. The problem with many is that workers are paying dues for the union to pursue certain outside agendas, throw support behind specific political candidates, etc. My wife pays dues as a nurse and it seems like her union does everything BUT advocate for the well-being of their nurses.

 

[Stoked]

To the point of the thread though, if you reap the rewards of the CBA, you should pay dues. If you don't get those same benefits then you should not pay dues.

I think CBA agreements/benefits should only apply to union members. Don't pay the dues don't get the benefits. But the choice to join and pay or not should be up to each individual employee. Not forced.