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Utah Jazz vs OKC

The only similarity we have is that we're both NBA teams.

Other than that we couldn't be any different.

It's hilarious to watch jazz fans compare themselves to OKC. Yet, there are a lot of young teams out there that suck and have sucked. Just because we want to be like OKC doesn't mean that we are, will, or ever will be like them.
 
I'm pissed that we still have a roster full of old parts that aren't going to be around in the next year or two. Why the hell do we STILL have Harris, Earl, Tinsley, Howard, Bell, and Jefferson?

Keep Kanter, Favors, Hayward, and Burks and the rest can be traded. Millsap is the one old piece that I'd be down to keep (but only if he was open to a different or smaller role). He has those intangibles to bring the energy of the bench and to win. He brings it every night, unlike Jefferson.

We essentially wasted a year for development. We should have started Favors, Burks, and Hayward from day 1. Kanter should have received 15-20 per game last year.
 
The Thriller said:
I'm pissed that we still have a roster full of old parts that aren't going to be around in the next year or two. Why the hell do we STILL have Harris, Earl, Tinsley, Howard, Bell, and Jefferson?

Keep Kanter, Favors, Hayward, and Burks and the rest can be traded. Millsap is the one old piece that I'd be down to keep (but only if he was open to a different or smaller role). He has those intangibles to bring the energy of the bench and to win. He brings it every night, unlike Jefferson.

We essentially wasted a year for development. We should have started Favors, Burks, and Hayward from day 1. Kanter should have received 15-20 per game last year.
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That's what I said #39.
 
freakazoid said:
Yeah, the Jazz will probably never find a Michael Jordan, either. They should just give up on trying to find better players, cuz that's too hard. I think we should all just thank our lucky stars to be fortunate enough to recieve our asskickings by the Spurs, and keep things in perspective. We're never going to find a Player like Malone at #13 or John Stockton at #16. Those things just never happen, so we shouldn't even try.
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This stuff never gets old. Repped.
 
I have a question for everyone in regards to OKC signing Harden. Are the Thunder winning this series because of Harden/Durant/Westbrook or because their big men have clogged up the paint and really slowed down the dribble penetration of the Spurs?

After watching the Miami/Boston series it is even more clear to me the need for a strong front court. Garnett as much as Rondo, is the reason that Miami has struggled to score within a few feet of the basket. Right now OKC has the same thing going for them with Ibaka and Perkins. Letting Perkins walk and possible losing Ibaka because Harden will get max money from someone, seems stupid to me. Miami has Wade and James, arguably two of the top five players in the league and yet they don't have the help they need int he front court.

If the Thunder lose Perkins and possibly Ibaka they will still be a good to great team, but will they win a championship?
 
[Are the Thunder winning this series because of Harden/Durant/Westbrook or because their big men have clogged up the paint and really slowed down the dribble penetration of the Spurs?]

Neither. The Thunder have defended Parker, and then aggressively closed out on the rest of the Spurs shooters too.
 
orangello said:
I have a question for everyone in regards to OKC signing Harden. Are the Thunder winning this series because of Harden/Durant/Westbrook or because their big men have clogged up the paint and really slowed down the dribble penetration of the Spurs?

After watching the Miami/Boston series it is even more clear to me the need for a strong front court. Garnett as much as Rondo, is the reason that Miami has struggled to score within a few feet of the basket. Right now OKC has the same thing going for them with Ibaka and Perkins. Letting Perkins walk and possible losing Ibaka because Harden will get max money from someone, seems stupid to me. Miami has Wade and James, arguably two of the top five players in the league and yet they don't have the help they need int he front court.

If the Thunder lose Perkins and possibly Ibaka they will still be a good to great team, but will they win a championship?
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If I am OKC, the answer is clear. You keep Harden and Durant and let Westbrook go. You then use Westbrook's money to keep Ibaka AND Perkins.
 
green said:
If I am OKC, the answer is clear. You keep Harden and Durant and let Westbrook go. You then use Westbrook's money to keep Ibaka AND Perkins.
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I thought about that option as well. I like Harden much more the Westbrook personally.
 
green said:
If I am OKC, the answer is clear. You keep Harden and Durant and let Westbrook go. You then use Westbrook's money to keep Ibaka AND Perkins.
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Perkins is very overrated, he is a one-dimensional player who barely gets even one block a game. Sure he's a good low post defender but at 8 million? Way overpaid, I'd rather have Asik than Perkins. Perkins can't shoot, he's extremely slow and unathletic. His +/- is terrible and he almost always has the worst +/- among the starters for almost every game. Not to mention, Collison is playing well alongside Ibaka. If OKC were smart, they would keep the core of Westbrook, KD, Harden and Ibaka and draft someone to replace Perkins.
 
OKC is doing well because through luck/skill they are in an unsustainable position. They were able to gather a great amount of young talent for little cost. They need to win soon because, as has been stated repeatedly, they can not sustain that amount of talent without going deep into luxury territory.
The Jazz may be headed the same direction, and if all of our youth pans out we will have a very short window for success before they all demand (and deserve if they pan out) max contracts.
 
8 million for Perkins is pretty good in my opinion. None of his stats jump out at you, but he is a starting caliber center who brings defensive intangibles.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
8 million for Perkins is pretty good in my opinion. None of his stats jump out at you, but he is a starting caliber center who brings defensive intangibles.
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Disagree he doesn't fit the OKC system at all nor does his defense make a great impact as evident by his abysmal +/-. Plus they are basically playing 4 vs 5 on offense. His numbers were only good at a Celtic and that was a product on being next to a hall of fame PF in KG
 
The playoffs this year are showing that a team really needs a "Big Three" who can make the clutch plays, especially on the offensive end--

Spurs: Duncan, Parker, Ginobli
Celtics: Pierce, Garnett, Rondo
Thunder: Durant, Westbrook, Harden
Heat: James, Wade Bosh

The Jazz are hopefully building a Big Three of their own with Favors, Kanter and someone else TBD. Burks has some of the potential that James Harden has, but it depends on his IQ/mental development.

The Jazz need to make one or two additional moves that net them a very good PG and a scoring wing who can create and exploit mismatches.
 
BTW, the Thunder are up in their series with the Spurs and the Celtics are up on the Heat because the Thunder and Celtics have better interior defense and rebounding. The Jazz are building around strong interior defense and rebounding, which will make the rest of the game easier for everyone else. Having two 2-way bigs over 6'10" is a real plus.
 
Catchall said:
The playoffs this year are showing that a team really needs a "Big Three" who can make the clutch plays, especially on the offensive end--

Spurs: Duncan, Parker, Ginobli
Celtics: Pierce, Garnett, Rondo
Thunder: Durant, Westbrook, Harden
Heat: James, Wade Bosh

The Jazz are hopefully building a Big Three of their own with Favors, Kanter and someone else TBD. Burks has some of the potential that James Harden has, but it depends on his IQ/mental development.

The Jazz need to make one or two additional moves that net them a very good PG and a scoring wing who can create and exploit mismatches.
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I have more confidence in Hayward then I do Burks.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
I have more confidence in Hayward then I do Burks.
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I'm not sure if Hayward has the instincts to become a go-to scorer. Not sure if you're old enough to remember Bobby Jones with the Philadelphia Sixers way back when, but that could be the role that Hayward plays--defender, playmaker, secondary scorer.
 
Catchall said:
I'm not sure if Hayward has the instincts to become a go-to scorer. Not sure if you're old enough to remember Bobby Jones with the Philadelphia Sixers way back when, but that could be the role that Hayward plays--defender, playmaker, secondary scorer.
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What do you feel about the fact that, statistically, Harden and Hayward are identical players after two years?
 
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