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Utah Jazz vs Timber Pups Game Thread (7pm)

elan_prodigy said:
Garbage!

WTF Quin? 20 minutes for Lyles???

Lyles had the worst body language the 10 seconds after he entered the game then 2 awful fouls back to back... He's the worst. He should have been benched for the body language alone, how he played another 20 minutes is beyond me.

Wheres the consistency Quin?

George Hill obviously needs to rest. He's been terrible lately. Good defensively for sure but offensively does he have anything more to offer than a floater and spot up 3?

Ingles was **** house tonight. Actually everyone was.
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https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3438/george-hill

Yeah dude, those February stats for George Hill are ****ing horrendous. Great analysis.
 
LoPo said:
I don't know if its funny or sad, but cowards on here bashing on Lyles. Our TEAM played like trash. Nobody played well, but we want to bag on a guy who played 20 of 48 minutes.

As for Lyles, he's got talent. That's undeniable. And like many one and done players, he needs time on the court. He has to play to get better. 82 games doesn't allow much time for practice.

Favors went through a month stretch before the All Star game where he was borderline pathetic. He was highly ineffective. And he's been a pro for how long? Yet a young pro like Lyles gets little leeway. Favors has proven to come out of his slump. If Lyles got consistent minutes, he could do the same.

Unfortunately, its in our DNA to shelve talent, not nurture it properly and eventually regret not doing more with it : Deshaun Stevenson, Millsap, Kanter, CJ Miles, Carroll, and probably eventually Exum and Lyles. You gotta play the kids especially since we arent contenders.

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The one thing about Lyles is that I do feel really bad for his career path. He was asked to play out of position at UK and now he is kind of asked to play something outside of his natural strength in Utah. That being said, he does have horrendous body language, which is weird because he is one of the more positive and physically expressive sideline players on the team.
 
Also Kobe Bryant the king of all hero-ball ball hogs has a crazy low percentage of game winner makes in his career. I think Jordans is low too. If I recall their rates hover in the 20%'s.

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Ostertag>Duncan said:
Also Kobe Bryant the king of all hero-ball ball hogs has a crazy low percentage of game winner makes in his career. I think Jordans is low too. If I recall their rates hover in the 20%'s.

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Nah, Jordan's was actually pretty high on buzzer beating game winners, like right at 50% or near it.

Kobe's was super low though, like 20%
IDK about Jordan's percentage on clutch shots in general though, like under 24 seconds within 1 possession either way. Whenever I google it all I find is buzzer beating game winners.
 
Like everyone last night, I was pissed at the performance (or lack thereof). As I thought about it this morning I came to this conclusion. In retrospect I've been in enough situations in life where I just absolutely choked, and not just in sports that it's unbelieveable. It's happened at work and also in my personal life. You can't dwell on it. You reset, dig in and try to learn from it and come out stronger on the other end. I'm hoping that's what happens here. This could be a pivotal point for the team. I'm interested to see how it goes Friday. I'm betting on a good bounce back.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Hayward I know has 2 buzzer-beating game winners. Not sure how many he has attempted.
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Yeah guess it's kinda a dumb point, comparing %s in the last two minutes or whatever is a better argument. Guess my point being I've never seen anyone consider someone like Kobe not clutch or known to take over games but he's also shot his team out of just as many close games as he's kept or won them for his team. Being a ball dominant player isn't always the answer and playing within the offense to get highest % overall is the smartest approach and I think guys like Hayward take that approach much like LeBron. Lots of people see them as hiding away from the moment but in most cases theyre executing what's the most probable scheme to get their team back in it or running a play that gives them highest % last second shot

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Ostertag>Duncan said:
Yeah guess it's kinda a dumb point, comparing %s in the last two minutes or whatever is a better argument. Guess my point being I've never seen anyone consider someone like Kobe not clutch or known to take over games but he's also shot his team out of just as many close games and he's kept or won them for his team. Being a ball dominant player isn't always the answer and playing within the offense to get highest % overall is the smartest approach and I think guys like Hayward take that approach much like LeBron. Lots of people see them as hiding away from the moment but in most cases theyre doing executing what's the most probable scheme to get their team back in it or running a play that gives them highest % last second shot

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Yeah, I agree with you 100%. It's just narratives people create and put on players. It's like when someone gets labeled a good defender, then they become a good defender for life. Once you get labeled "clutch" people always view you as clutch even if the stats suggest otherwise. If you get labeled as not being clutch or someone who shrinks, basically the only way to shed that is to win a ring.

Wes is a perfect example of this. He even said "I dont care about stats". He has bought into a narrative and now is unwilling to waver from it even if he has seen examples of his delusion being false.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Nah, Jordan's was actually pretty high on buzzer beating game winners, like right at 50% or near it.

Kobe's was super low though, like 20%
IDK about Jordan's percentage on clutch shots in general though, like under 24 seconds within 1 possession either way. Whenever I google it all I find is buzzer beating game winners.
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I don't know the stats but i watched a lot of Jordan in the late 80s early 90s and he would easily be the best clutch player, i remember seeing him hit a pretty good % of those. Maybe the only other guy in his league was Larry Bird but those two are the exceptions. Pretty much every other player Kobe included blows in the clutch compared to normal percentages. Gordon is actually pretty good in the last couple minutes. Them's the facts.
 
Jordan is overrated. His highlights were over played and the media wasnt allowed to cover his shortcomings. The guy was amazing, but that idol worship gets old.

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The Jazz miss Sloan's toughness.

Quin is not capable to instil grit to the team in some situations. In addition he is too diplomatic with the refs.
 
DownUnder said:
I can't stand the guy, i think he's a toxic c.... but no he is not overrated.
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"The ultimate winner" because he was 6-0 in the finals. Media doesnt tell you he had a losing season in all 5 seasons without Pippen and Phil. So without his Robin, he was less than Tmac in terms of wins.

He was awesome, but overrated. In the current climate of media, he wouldn't have lasted.

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LoPo said:
"The ultimate winner" because he was 6-0 in the finals. Media doesnt tell you he had a losing season in all 5 seasons without Pippen and Phil. So without his Robin, he was less than Tmac in terms of wins.

He was awesome, but overrated. In the current climate of media, he wouldn't have lasted.

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how many of his games did you watch ?

and tell me who was on his teams that were losing ? the Wizards ? the early Bulls teams were junk.

Phil Jackson is the one who is completely overrated. He's nothing without having coached MJ, Shaq & Kobe.

i agree that Pippen was an underrated factor tho.
 
I watched the entire thing. I'm almost 40. The guy was amazing, but Pippen was the best defender on the team (according to Phil) and MJ got away with everything. The NBA needed MJ so they coddled him.

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LoPo said:
I watched the entire thing. I'm almost 40. The guy was amazing, but Pippen was the best defender on the team (according to Phil) and MJ got away with everything. The NBA needed MJ so they coddled him.

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the NBA certainly rode his coattails hard for sure. Let him get away with all kinds of rubbish.

But he was undeniably clutch way above nearly any other player. Him and Bird Bird in the late 80's clutch % would be ridiculous
 
I agree. Jordan was more clutch than the average player. He wasn't Robert Horry clutch but he was above most others.

I just get tired of the idol worship MJ gets. He scored a ton of points in an era where nobody played good perimeter defense. He was the first of his kind and was blessed to play on amazing teams with an amazing coach and GM.

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