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Utes 2011 Football Discussion

Bronco70 said:
I understand Spazz arguing about this, as he is the fan of a rival. You just come across as an ax-grinder, Hobo.

Besides, this conversation will be a lot more relevant after all the games have been played and the standings are final.
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True, I was just arguing to argue. I don't really care, except that Salty is wrong and it must be pointed out so we can see his creative logical loop arguments.
Jazzman has been fun lately too because he takes offense at the comments I throw in for flavor.

The reality is we will have to wait and see.

Bronco, why? Why would you try to post with actual reason? You are ruining the thread.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Right, and that's why they are still alive in the division race with only 2 weeks left in a major injury plagued season.

Just the facts.
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Yeah, just the facts. The facts are that on the field, they're in 4th place and 8th overall in the entire conference. The only reason you see them as 3rd is due to USC's ban. However, again, this doesn't change what's going on on the field--that when it comes down to the games, they're in the bottom half of the conference. Once USC's ban is up Utah will be an afterthought at best.
 
Bronco70 said:
I understand Spazz arguing about this, as he is the fan of a rival. You just come across as an ax-grinder, Hobo.

Besides, this conversation will be a lot more relevant after all the games have been played and the standings are final.
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If I'm an ax grinder, what's Salty?
 
SalmonHobo said:
Yeah, just the facts. The facts are that on the field, they're in 4th place and 8th overall in the entire conference. The only reason you see them as 3rd is due to USC's ban. However, again, this doesn't change what's going on on the field--that when it comes down to the games, they're in the bottom half of the conference. Once USC's ban is up Utah will be an afterthought at best.
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Again, that is not true. If we're talking about what is going on on the field, them Utah has the second best overall record in the division. And if we're talking about standings, then USC doesn't count.

Just the facts.
 
SaltyDawg said:
We're talking about the outcome of the game. The final score is absolutely the outcome. This was a big deal to gamblers.

Or we can go your way too and just talk about knowing who is going to win. In that case, we didn't know until after the final play. That's what I was talking about in the first place before your clock expiring = game determined posts.

So my original point stands, Utah lost that game on the final play, and won the BYU game long before the final play.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEFQTY4hjUk
 
SaltyDawg said:
Again, that is not true. If we're talking about what is going on on the field, them Utah has the second best overall record in the division. And if we're talking about standings, then USC doesn't count.

Just the facts.
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Overall record in the division again.... shut up. How about division record in the division and overall record overall. If you are using the overall record you should use all Div 1 teams, then Utah is what 50th?
 
JazzSpazz said:
Overall record in the division again.... shut up. How about division record in the division and overall record overall. If you are using the overall record you should use all Div 1 teams, then Utah is what 50th?
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34th, per Sagarin.

And I'm not the one saying to ignore the standings and just pay attention to what happens on the field, then using the division standings and ignoring the overall records.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Again, that is not true. If we're talking about what is going on on the field, them Utah has the second best overall record in the division. And if we're talking about standings, then USC doesn't count.

Just the facts.
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Second? Really? So if we lumped all the teams together, the Utes would have the 2nd best conference record? Interesting.

Have fun in the Bridgepoint Education Holiday Bowl. Go get 'em.
 
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