Vick and Obama, BFF's!

[NUMBERICA]

I didn't read the article but if there's any semblance of truth to what I'm assuming, this spineless chump is a one-term president. I can't understand how someone so smart and so steadfast in his previous life could be such a pure politics-driven cave-bot. As of right now, I'm ashamed I ever supported him. He had opportunities to make the change he advertised, and instead, we'll see such a backlash to his supposed liberalism these issues might not come back up again to be fixed for several decades.

 

[NUMBERICA]

And Michael Vick can rot in hell. I would smile if he was chewed to death by dogs. No amount of impressive football overrides the behaviors only a monster could exhibit.

 

[franklin]

Obama + Vick? When did Vick cheat on his taxes or bomb cops?

 

[Inn Dawn]

And Michael Vick can rot in hell. I would smile if he was chewed to death by dogs. No amount of impressive football overrides the behaviors only a monster could exhibit.

Nah, he did the time and is just fine now. I root for him.

 

[LogGrad98]

Obama's Nero because he's a proxy Rebublican. All of the failures of this presidency are because he lets the Elephants win even when he doesn't have to. Bear that in mind.

The really funny thing about this post is that it shows 1) how indoctrinated you are in the gospel of the left and 2) how clueless you are as to the role of politics in this country (as in the role they SHOULD play). It is not about one single side always winning or losing, it is about finding the middle ground where most often the correct and best answers lie. No one side has a monopoly on All Truth and Righteousness (cue the lame tired boring mormon jokes). That thinking is exactly what is destroying america as we know it. Demos will do all they can to destroy the right, no matter the issue, instead of listening to their ideas and trying to find a workable solution. Same goes for the right, although usually with less vehemence and vitriol. If you really truly bindly believe that the demos have all the answers to every question exactly right, then you seriously have blinders on, and don't listen to half the country. The election is 2000 shows how evenly divided the country is. You make it sound like everyone except the guys in congress are all democrats and want everything the demos want. Or they should or else they are stupid, moronic, liars, or evil. What a great way to run the country, with those thoughts in mind. Sure will bring us all together. Believe like I believe or we will make sure everyone knows you are the eptiomy of evil, and stupid to boot. Nice thinking from the "tolerant" party right? But I hear this more and more, on both sides but especially from the left.

By no stretch am I giving the repubs a pass. They do the same things but with different tactics. The reality is that most people in this country are moderates, with maybe leanings to the left or right, but more and more the extremists on both sides are taking control of the parties and pretending to be moderates to get elected. And then they are fighting for single-sided solutions to multi-faceted issues. This system can't work for long.

Personally I like that they are at least talking and in some ways compromising. The solutions are far from perfect, but somehow they have to try.

Lincoln said "a house divided against itself cannot stand" and that is as correct today as it was when he was trying to free the slaves.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The really funny thing about this post is that it shows 1) how indoctrinated you are in the gospel of the left and 2) how clueless you are as to the role of politics in this country (as in the role they SHOULD play). It is not about one single side always winning or losing, it is about finding the middle ground where most often the correct and best answers lie.

I stopped reading here so I'll address that much.

I understand compromise and moderation. The Republicans have refused to compromise on any point. The health care debate and bill that barely got through shows precisely what I'm talking about and is a joke and slap to the face to millions of people that simply are not able to afford insurance in the most affluent country on earth. If a bunch of Fox junkies and pocket-constitution Palin supporters want to fight against their own interests, that's their right. Every historical or financial indicator you can dig up not funded by the Heritage Foundation (or equivalent) points out what an ineffective, cash-driven juggernaut the collective of U.S. health care is.

I don't believe in a public option or universal health care or whatever you want to call it because I align with liberal or leftist ideals. I believe in it because it is plainly absurd and wrong that an enlightened and prosperous people continue a model that has rapidly been falling apart and is not meeting the needs of its people. That means this nation is either not enlightened or not prosperous, and I tend to think that it's more of the former than it is the latter.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Nah, he did the time and is just fine now. I root for him.

Fulfilling a statutory debt hardly means what he did wasn't atrocious and I have this antiquated notion that there are things bad enough that society should not champion you thereafter.

 

[LogGrad98]

I stopped reading here so I'll address that much.

I understand compromise and moderation. The Republicans have refused to compromise on any point. The health care debate and bill that barely got through shows precisely what I'm talking about and is a joke and slap to the face to millions of people that simply are not able to afford insurance in the most affluent country on earth. If a bunch of Fox junkies and pocket-constitution Palin supporters want to fight against their own interests, that's their right. Every historical or financial indicator you can dig up not funded by the Heritage Foundation (or equivalent) points out what an ineffective, cash-driven juggernaut the collective of U.S. health care is.

I don't believe in a public option or universal health care or whatever you want to call it because I align with liberal or leftist ideals. I believe in it because it is plainly absurd and wrong that an enlightened and prosperous people continue a model that has rapidly been falling apart and is not meeting the needs of its people. That means this nation is either not enlightened or not prosperous, and I tend to think that it's more of the former than it is the latter.

Yet another who takes things out of context, but at least you admit to it.

Go back and read your post that spurred this response. You specifically point to Obama giving in to republicans when he doesn't have to. You laid it out there pretty plainly that Obama has the answers and republicans do not. Your response above seems to assert the same thing, that this health care bill was the answer.

Did you actually read any part of the health care bill or see the evolution of it? It changed several times, with each side giving some, but with Dems mostly getting what they wanted and Repubs largely shut out. The really intersting thing is most republicans opposed it because of your issue with healthcare: people cannot afford it the way it is laid out in that bill. They wanted to look at how to make it more affordable, but the dems were on a timetable to get it passed, another political move not based in what is best for the country.

You say your understand compromise and moderation, but your comments don't support that.

 

[franklin]

I understand compromise and moderation.

No you don't. If you did then you would give credit to rightist ideas on lowering health care costs, which seems to be your narrow target. Instead, you're hell bent on bashing the right with the same tired talking points. You're a propagandist, and frankly, not a very good one.

The left has done everything to stop every single idea the right has put forth to help cure the alleged health care problems. Everyone with a sane mind can see this. Shockingly, this was absent in your grand compromise-love-all-let's-work-together post. It was off kilter right bashing at it's worst. Congrats on being a leftist version of Glenn Beck.

 

[Inn Dawn]

Fulfilling a statutory debt hardly means what he did wasn't atrocious and I have this antiquated notion that there are things bad enough that society should not champion you thereafter.

Of course it was atrocious, but so is factory farming, and most of the country blindly and directly supports that atrocity without batting an eye. Dunoon what else the guy has to do. He served time, went through public humiliation, attended hundreds of hours of community service, lost hundreds of millions of dollars in endorsements, and will indefinitely be on supervision. From his conduct he truly appears remorseful for his actions.

 

[Sloanfeld]

Again the thing about your opinion, and I'm sorry I'm the one that has to keep telling you this.

It's wrong. And not necessarily because of the likelihood of the outcomes that you predict... because infact they may be quite high. It's your reasoning. If you turn out to be correct, it's not because you were right. It's because of outside factors that are too complicated for you to understand (don't worry, it's complicated for a lot of people to understand).

But never the less the idea that Republican governor = red state is completely absurd. Especially since oh so much can happen in 2 years.

Think about where Barack Obama was in 2006... two years before he was to be elected prez. He was a DNP longshot who was just barely banking in on some fame, after a glorious speech at the 2004 DNC.

Listen chump, the majority of this country hates that clown. They don't want his health care crap. Nobody likes how it took forever for him to handle the oil spill. People supported the AZ immigration laws and he went against them. Seniors blame him for no cost of living raises (not his decision, but he and his congress could have changed the formula for that). Now people will blame him for 'giving into Republicans' and extending the tax cuts, even though if the Republicans actually had their way, they would be permanent.

I know PA, I know what people think here. The only fools left in this state who like him are the morons who keep saying 'give him some time'. This **** isn't going to fly in 2012. And it's not just my state, you saw what happened in November.

And for the record, I'm not currently a Palin fan. I hope like hell she doesn't get the nomination because she will just get the same garbage vote from feminists that blacks gave Obama in 2008. You know Bill Parcells coined the phrase 'celebrity quarterback', well these two would be 'celebrity presidents'. Sorry bro, Obama is toast in 2012.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Someone tell me what the Republicans "gave up" in the health care debate when at the end of the day, the DNC was forced to resort to reconciliation to push through a bill that went from universal health care (or at the very least, a public option) to forcing people to buy private insurance. That bill is somewhere between an abomination and joke, with the punch line being that it might not ever even become enacted at the end of it all. Colossal failure.

I assume you're into the Bush Tax Cut extension that you'll likely never seen any benefit from either, but that's another story.

Obama doesn't have all the answers, but giving the minority party power - even after its policies of rampant de-regulation, deficit spending, and tax cuts (primarily for the richest) only served as a catalyst for a market collapse and the largest divide between the poor and the rich since the early 20th century - is not something he has to do, and the people that voted for him believed it was incumbent upon him to try to reverse the damage. Not further it's agenda out of cowardice.

At this stage, the only clear reason I'm happy he won is so Palin isn't VP. That is a truly terrifying and embarrassing proposition. I guess it might get worse as she might be the president in 2012 to give credence to the Mayan prophesy.