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Walker Kessler Bench Appreciation Thread

framer said:
In other words, the CY "Look the Part" test, because it has been soooo acurate. JHS and Gradey Dick have been out there crushing it.
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I mean, I'm one of the best at prospects and my accuracy outweighs or is on par with anyone.... (funny how you bring up the two I might be wrong on instead of Bilal or Jaquez where I was clearly right)

Some guys take more time than others.

But this is not like that at all. This isnt projecting one level of play to another.

It's just something that you have to breakdown in clips. It's not a stats thing.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I mean, I'm one of the best at prospects and my accuracy outweighs or is on par with anyone.... (funny how you bring up the two I might be wrong on instead of Bilal or Jaquez where I was clearly right)

Some guys take more time than others.

But this is not like that at all. This isnt projecting one level of play to another.

It's just something that you have to breakdown in clips. It's not a stats thing.
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*whispers*

If you have to tell people you’re one of the best at something you really aren’t.
 
Elizah Huge said:
*whispers*

If you have to tell people you’re one of the best at something you really aren’t.
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I'm sure you have never corrected someone on this board if they misrepresented your draft thoughts or only displayed your (not even complete) L's.

If you're going to be so horny to dunk on me, at least maintain some integrity.
 
Seriously though, Jazz fans are forever living in that Clippers series where Rudy kept getting cooked because Snyder would not or could not make adjustments. The problem that Quinn had, and that is showing up in Atlanta, is that his offensive and defensive schemes are way too complicated and inflexible. You practice the thing until it becomes well oiled and it shines like a penny. However, when you get an injury, or other teams adjust, there is no fallback plan. You can only go out and continue to grind the original plan. The Snyder Jazz got away with it because their offensive talent was soooo good it overcame a lot of ills and fit Quinn's scheme. Atlanta's squad apparently does not. It is also why the Jazz were so bad in the clutch. A team would throw a wrinkle, and if the practiced Jazz system could not overcome it, we lost. There was no plan B. The Jazz basically would try to put you away by the 3rd quarter. If they couldn't, it was an adventure from there.

Hardy does it different. You saw what happened when Toronto tried to small ball us. Jazz went big with Olynyk and Lauri and crushed them because we were too big to defend with their midgets. Jazz have lost games this season developing a zone. They aren't likely to go zone permanently, but it has become an effective tool for us that is now winning games. Hardy is playing a deep bench, probably too deep, because he is developing options instead of just a well-oiled system. Having an elite rim protector that can defend out to the perimeter (and he can defend out there, even though it is better if he doesn't) is a great option.

I can guarantee that Hardy has watched that Terance Mann- Rudy game several times, because he is making it a priority to never leave Kessler in that situation. For us to live in fear that Kessler will fail, because Rudy was allowed to fail in a certain situation makes no sense. That was a coaching failure, not a Rudy failure. Hardy's team isn't as good as Snyder's team because there is a tremendous talent difference. Hardy's team is better built though and is way more flexible and prepared for whatever is thrown against it. It is why they excel in the clutch.
 
framer said:
Seriously though, Jazz fans are forever living in that Clippers series where Rudy kept getting cooked because Snyder would not or could not make adjustments. The problem that Quinn had, and that is showing up in Atlanta, is that his offensive and defensive schemes are way too complicated and inflexible. You practice the thing until it becomes well oiled and it shines like a penny. However, when you get an injury, or other teams adjust, there is no fallback plan. You can only go out and continue to grind the original plan. The Snyder Jazz got away with it because their offensive talent was soooo good it overcame a lot of ills and fit Quinn's scheme. Atlanta's squad apparently does not. It is also why the Jazz were so bad in the clutch. A team would throw a wrinkle, and if the practiced Jazz system could not overcome it, we lost. There was no plan B. The Jazz basically would try to put you away by the 3rd quarter. If they couldn't, it was an adventure from there.

Hardy does it different. You saw what happened when Toronto tried to small ball us. Jazz went big with Olynyk and Lauri and crushed them because we were too big to defend with their midgets. Jazz have lost games this season developing a zone. They aren't likely to go zone permanently, but it has become an effective tool for us that is now winning games. Hardy is playing a deep bench, probably too deep, because he is developing options instead of just a well-oiled system. Having an elite rim protector that can defend out to the perimeter (and he can defend out there, even though it is better if he doesn't) is a great option.

I can guarantee that Hardy has watched that Terance Mann- Rudy game several times, because he is making it a priority to never leave Kessler in that situation. For us to live in fear that Kessler will fail, because Rudy was allowed to fail in a certain situation makes no sense. That was a coaching failure, not a Rudy failure. Hardy's team isn't as good as Snyder's team because there is a tremendous talent difference. Hardy's team is better built though and is way more flexible and prepared for whatever is thrown against it. It is why they excel in the clutch.
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How many Hawks games have you watched this year?

I still find it strange how many people want to bring up that Quin was this coach who never changed anything. He was one of the most creative coaches I have ever seen. At the end he perfected the Jazz system and didnt stray away from it, but it was a system that produced a top 5 offense and defense (and completely understandable why as coach he would want to trust the thing that produced rather than just change things when his bench was paper thin and didnt have a plethora of options to change to). Before that the dude was a mad scientist. This revisionist history that he was always this inflexible coach is just wrong.
 
The Hawks issues is that the guys on their team who are were billed as plus defensive players arent. Dejounte is bad as a primary on-ball defender. Hunter's defensive talent was wildly overstated because he played at Virginia. Bey can't guard. Capela has lost a noticeable amount of defensive impact.

Now that they have Jalen Johnson back they are going to be better. He's really their x-factor and ultimately their 2nd best player on the team and clearly their best defensive player IMO.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
How many Hawks games have you watched this year?

I still find it strange how many people want to bring up that Quin was this coach who never changed anything. He was one of the most creative coaches I have ever seen. At the end he perfected the Jazz system and didnt stray away from it, but it was a system that produced a top 5 offense and defense (and completely understandable why as coach he would want to trust the thing that produced rather than just change things when his bench was paper thin and didnt have a plethora of options to change to). Before that the dude was a mad scientist. This revisionist history that he was always this inflexible coach is just wrong.
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Quin's full tenure with the Jazz isn't easily generalized. It's probably better to break it up into an early phase and a late phase. I would say the earlier phase was much more creative, flexible, and adaptive.

It's interesting that you describe a "perfected" system that he "didn't stray away from." I would say that's an oxymoron. And, it's also true that most of the creative ideas in that late-phase system were hatched earlier. By the late phase, a lot of his concepts were so drilled-in that the whole league new what was coming. And, yeah, we piled up a lot of regular season wins, so....

I also think we have to acknowledge the role of the infighting with DL on our outcomes. Both of those dudes got seriously inflexible in a few ways, and it sunk the program. I swear there were times when Quin didn't make in-game adjustments while the defense was bleeding points just so that he could prove some kind of point to DL. That's speculation, obviously, but I'm confident it's at least directionally true.
 
NAOS_pt2 said:
Quin's full tenure with the Jazz isn't easily generalized. It's probably better to break it up into an early phase and a late phase. I would say the earlier phase was much more creative, flexible, and adaptive.

It's interesting that you describe a "perfected" system that he "didn't stray away from." I would say that's an oxymoron. And, it's also true that most of the creative ideas in that late-phase system were hatched earlier. By the late phase, a lot of his concepts were so drilled-in that the whole league new what was coming. And, yeah, we piled up a lot of regular season wins, so....

I also think we have to acknowledge the role of the infighting with DL on our outcomes. Both of those dudes got seriously inflexible in a few ways, and it sunk the program. I swear there were times when Quin didn't make in-game adjustments while the defense was bleeding points just so that he could prove some kind of point to DL. That's speculation, obviously, but I'm confident it's at least directionally true.
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I really agree with the end of this post.

At the end of that run the players seemed unhappy with each other and the coaches and management, and the coaches and management seemed unhappy with each other and the players.

It was time. I'm so glad they bought in ainge and a new coach and cleaned house and started fresh. A fresh start seemed necessary to me.

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It pisses me off he’s on the bench. He should start and be shooting lots of corner threes and getting better see if he has any future as a 3pt shooting big. Its not like Brook Lopez came into the league as an outside shooter.
 
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