I think the Jazz dont care and just want to lose basketball games so these hypotheticals are nonsensical.
We Shouldn't Trade Bojan
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Isaiah 1:13
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I’ve said in the past that I’d only trade him for Ayton. But when I look at it realistically we’d almost have to get Crowder back as well or resign Bo Cruz (Juancho), because the three is our weakest position presently both in number and ability.
freakazoid
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I kinda feel bad for those posters who are in a state of denial and are trying to hold on to hope for a competitive team this year.
This team is gonna suck hard for several years. Best make peace with it.
This team is gonna suck hard for several years. Best make peace with it.
Beasley is not much better than Clarkson or Mitchell defensively...
Jazz need huge swings from negative to plus defenders to counteract losing Gobert and Bojan, Mitchell, Clarkson, Beasley are huge negatives.
If the Jazz need to contend around Mitchell now, you can't have 3 other poor defenders in rotation. Mitchell has to be the worst one in the rotation.
Best way could be to find a highly mobile 4 and play with no centers. Length and speed to play the passing lanes and disturb shooters. Semi-Zones to clog lanes. Cuts and player movement on the other hand. In transition, Mitchell could be the trailer which should suit him better and his gravity as a shooter could allow others easier finishes.
It's kinda why it's hard to build around Mitchell, he is not good enough of a playmaker to find guys cutting in a high-player movement system but he also has to be the smallest guy in the line-up which means limited opportunities to find a good playmaker.
Jazz need huge swings from negative to plus defenders to counteract losing Gobert and Bojan, Mitchell, Clarkson, Beasley are huge negatives.
If the Jazz need to contend around Mitchell now, you can't have 3 other poor defenders in rotation. Mitchell has to be the worst one in the rotation.
Best way could be to find a highly mobile 4 and play with no centers. Length and speed to play the passing lanes and disturb shooters. Semi-Zones to clog lanes. Cuts and player movement on the other hand. In transition, Mitchell could be the trailer which should suit him better and his gravity as a shooter could allow others easier finishes.
It's kinda why it's hard to build around Mitchell, he is not good enough of a playmaker to find guys cutting in a high-player movement system but he also has to be the smallest guy in the line-up which means limited opportunities to find a good playmaker.
They are gonna suck whether they try to win or not. So might as well lean into it and make the best of it.
LoPo
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I probably think of team offense and defense a little too simplistically, but I basically consider the team like a chemistry equation. You have net positive, net negative, and net neutral defenders and offensive players. To have a total team net positive defense you need enough positive defenders to counteract the negative defenders. With only 5 players on the court at a time it's very difficult to counteract more than one negative defender. If we are keeping Mitchell who is either a -1 or -2 defender, then it's really difficult to be a good defensive team without all the other players being neutral or positive defenders.
Hence I think Bogey needs to be traded either way we go.
Hence I think Bogey needs to be traded either way we go.
Yes, WE will be fine. The Utah Jazz - a team we do not play or work for - will have a putrid to mediocre season.
LoPo
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Umm. Yep. Sure do.
trentban22
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Agree. Don has to be our worst defensive player otherwise we are ****ed and might as well blow it up.
I may have blinders on, but I have an unfounded hope that we can keep DM, and rebuild around him.
Maybe it's stupid to hope we can do a hybrid of keeping some of the people we have now and using the picks we have to become a contender in 3-5 years.
I admit that, but I really hate giving up on people.
Its probably more realistic to jump on board with many of you and embrace the full tank, call for the trade of DM and anyone else of value to use all teh picks and build a contender where they are all on the same time frame.
Yes, I know it's dumb, but I'm not the GM so I can have my hopes and dreams however unrealistic.
I like most of the players that come through here and root for them after they leave unless they give me a reason not to.
I'll just stay in my fantasy land... and if Ainge keeps DM and tries to rebuild around him I'll hope for the best and root for them to succeed.
If we go full tank... I'll root for them to succeed.
You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.
Maybe it's stupid to hope we can do a hybrid of keeping some of the people we have now and using the picks we have to become a contender in 3-5 years.
I admit that, but I really hate giving up on people.
Its probably more realistic to jump on board with many of you and embrace the full tank, call for the trade of DM and anyone else of value to use all teh picks and build a contender where they are all on the same time frame.
Yes, I know it's dumb, but I'm not the GM so I can have my hopes and dreams however unrealistic.
I like most of the players that come through here and root for them after they leave unless they give me a reason not to.
I'll just stay in my fantasy land... and if Ainge keeps DM and tries to rebuild around him I'll hope for the best and root for them to succeed.
If we go full tank... I'll root for them to succeed.
You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.