False premise.
Not all climate change deniers are against improving air and water quality.
False premise.
Not all climate change deniers are against improving air and water quality.
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At first I was bummed cuz Log (predictably) didnt address my rebuttal--
but Siro is just taking him straight to the woodshed rn and frankly I am here for it
but Siro is just taking him straight to the woodshed rn and frankly I am here for it
Beantown
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It's the same battle/problem. We should be uniting rather that discussing if moving off fossil fuels is the right decision.
It shouldn't even be a discussion.
Beantown
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https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/07/africa/sudan-climate-change/
It's going to keep getting worse and worse. More areas that will become infertile and dry.
No doubt our next wars will be fought over fresh water reserves...
It's going to keep getting worse and worse. More areas that will become infertile and dry.
No doubt our next wars will be fought over fresh water reserves...
Is there anyone here that is against moving off fossil fuels? Anyone? If so I'd like to see it.
Miggs
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Please explain who you mean when you say "crippling industries." Provide a few examples of the companies who would be paralyzed if we saw more aggressive alternative energy regulations, standards and/or laws.
False.
A neutral observer would question the data for integrity. Why is it the hadCRUT3 data has gone through 2 cycles of thawing an freezing and thawing an freezing since 1878? Why is there no correlation during this time to global temperatures? Is the data even reflective, or are heat island locations skewing current temperatures? What are the humidity changes? Can a 100% increase in co2 be significant enough to dramatically alter the equivalense of a 3 percent change in humidity?
Massive cuts to carbon emissions all at once would cripple the coal industry and industrial factories.
Yes we need to get off coal, yes we need to improve air quality, but you work your way into it. It doesn't just happen over night.
I have long advocated increasing research into alt energy sources and getting off oil. For example requiring all new semis to run off CNG and a scale of how long old rigs should run. Making hydrogen fuel cells a working tech for personal automobiles.
Push for improvements and cleaner industry but do it at a manageable pace. That's what I am saying. There is a balance.
For the record: I am not even a climate change denier. I think it clearly happens. I question how much of it is our fault and I doubt the impending disaster scenarios pitched in some publications but it clearly is happening. It is an issue.
♪alt13
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Define low. Low in comparison to other Americans? people from developed countries? Humans? Per person consumption that would keep us under IPCC recommended limits?
It"s great that you try and all but if we all lived like you we would still be facing global warming. To solve it we would all have to do what you do and sacrifice much more. Developed nations would need to forgo a lot of development. It's going to happen it's only a question of how much and how soon.
Also how do we get other countries, like India and China, to truly commit to improving the climate with the more climate oriented countries?
America can improve all day long, we should, but as long as other countries are polluting for all they are worth the effect of anything we do is greatly diminished right?
America can improve all day long, we should, but as long as other countries are polluting for all they are worth the effect of anything we do is greatly diminished right?
Cause we want solar panels that fill the earth with hydrochloric acid during polysilicone production, create massive amounts of hazardous an toxic waste, an then fill are landfills up after there 10 to 12 tear lifespan.