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[Stoked]

can you back yourself further into a corner? Where are you now....?.... resting on the assumption that your messages are crystal clear and I'm deliberately confusing them?

Safely in the same place I have always been.

Gun buy back programs are great but not enough.

Could you be any more intellectually dishonest? Can you admit that you took one post in a way I didn't mean it because one post was less clear than the others? Despite ample evidence to the contrary which you ignored.

Probably not, your need to feel superior won't allow it. You're at your best, imo, when you stop trying so hard.

I see no need to hash this out further.

 

[♪alt13]

I was just waiting for your unsubstantiated, pessimistic, throw-your-hands-up post of the morning. Yick. Links?

Los Angeles's gun buyback programs, which are very lightly funded, leave plenty of room for optimism. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/07/la-gun-buyback-2013_n_3229435.html

this also happened in the REAL WORLD.

What do you honestly think this program has accomplished?

My thoughts are that it only encourages junkies to steal guns. Now if they can't sell it on the black market they know that at least the mayor will buy it from them. Do you really think that people that want guns and spent good money on them are turning them in for gift cards? Do you think it has actually reduced the demand or number of guns in LA?

 

[Stoked]

What do you honestly think this program has accomplished?

My thoughts are that it only encourages junkies to steal guns. Now if they can't sell it on the black market they know that at least the mayor will buy it from them. Do you really think that people that want guns and spent good money on them are turning them in for gift cards? Do you think it has actually reduced the demand or number of guns in LA?

Either way that is one less gun on the streets that probably did not need to be there. I'd like it to go national tbh. But I agree, I don't think many gun owners would turn in their weapons.

Either way the program has its use and benefits. One piece to the puzzle.

 

[♪alt13]

Either way that is one less gun on the streets that probably did not need to be there. I'd like it to go national tbh. But I agree, I don't think many gun owners would turn in their weapons.

Either way the program has its use and benefits. One piece to the puzzle.

It isn't one less gun on the streets. It might be one less gun in an attic but the demand on the street is still there. That demand is not any less fulfilled because of this program.

 

[Stoked]

It isn't one less gun on the streets. It might be one less gun in an attic but the demand on the street is still there. That demand is not any less fulfilled because of this program.

If that gun was on the street, some will and some wont, than it is one less gun on the street.

Even if it is a gun in the attic it is one less gun that some idiot may find and accidently shoot a family member or something.

 

[NAOS]

What do you honestly think this program has accomplished?

My thoughts are that it only encourages junkies to steal guns. Now if they can't sell it on the black market they know that at least the mayor will buy it from them. Do you really think that people that want guns and spent good money on them are turning them in for gift cards? Do you think it has actually reduced the demand or number of guns in LA?

I think it demonstrated, albeit at a small scale, that a basic monetary intervention could tap into the flow of guns. These programs are question-free/anonymous, so it's just cash (or cash-equivalent) for guns. No police. No social work. I'm actually very interested in experiments that simply throw money at a problem without any of the other baggage.

Stolen gun? I don't care. Crashing the black market prices? Awesome.

I have no idea how to gauge the demand for guns in LA. I'm guessing nobody here does.

 

[NAOS]

Safely in the same place I have always been.

Gun buy back programs are great but not enough.

Could you be any more intellectually dishonest? Can you admit that you took one post in a way I didn't mean it because one post was less clear than the others? Despite ample evidence to the contrary which you ignored.

Probably not, your need to feel superior won't allow it. You're at your best, imo, when you stop trying so hard.

I see no need to hash this out further.

dude, I'm not sure where this went off the rails, but I certainly wasn't trying to take it there. And I didn't like that suggestion. Nor the one about intellectual dishonesty. Your posts were confusing to me, plain and simple. It certainly isn't my job to comb through the entire thread and read between the lines. You're communicating in a crowd, so you should expect static. Asking people to own up to confused/staticy moments is just dumb.

Nobody has claimed that gun buybacks are "enough." As far as I'm concerned, that was certainly clear when I laid out my bullet points and it was only one amongst a field.

 

[RandyForRubio]

We already know allot of these reasons and already try to prevent them.
Depression, poverty, child abuse, neglect, temper issues, drugs and alcohol to name a few.

We already have psychiatrists and zanax and other medications.
We have alcoholics anonymous and narcotics anonymous.
We have welfare, and food stamps.
We have family counseling available and laws against child molesting
Anger management classes.

To name a few

What impact do a lot of these medications have though? I believe a majority of these shooters have been on prescribed medication, i could be wrong though, I'd have to check again. Anyways, is there a strong linkage there? I don't know, but it seems plausible.

 

[fishonjazz]

What impact do a lot of these medications have though? I believe a majority of these shooters have been on prescribed medication, i could be wrong though, I'd have to check again. Anyways, is there a strong linkage there? I don't know, but it seems plausible.

I have no idea.
My point was that there are already things available to help with mental illness. (Drugs and counseling being two of the things)

 

[Jamezz]

Every time I see this thread it reminds me of the beautiful region in Spain, where Neto played and where I happen to have some family:

Typical dish:

And some other great local produce:

 

[NAOS]

ok

 

[Jamezz]

ok

That's right amazing isn't it, there's a whole world out there NAOS.