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[fishonjazz]

i have been over this.
talking specifically ABOUT the one where had the shooting. on their website said it is prohibited from bringing a gun into the theater.
in effect making it illegal for law abiding citizens to carry a gun inside.


but you dont seem to care about that FACT!

I understand it is prohibited. But so is bringing outside food and drink. I bring in outside food and drink all the time and if I wanted to bring a gun into a "gun free" movie theater then I could very easily. There is nothing to stop anyone from doing it.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I understand it is prohibited. But so is bringing outside food and drink. I bring in outside food and drink all the time and if I wanted to bring a gun into a "gun free" movie theater then I could very easily. There is nothing to stop anyone from doing it.

well
let me put it this way. it is riskier to bring your gun into a gun free zone, depending on state it could carry pentalties.
99.9999999% of legitamite gun owners would not risk it
sneaking in candy vs sneaking in a legal concealed gun are 2 different things.

99.9999999999% of people would sneak in candy if given oppurtunity

yet almost no gun owner would.
in effect it is a gun free zone!

seriously how many legitamte gun owners do you know, aks em the question hey bro you go to a venue and the policy says no guns allowed what do you do
a )sneak in your gun.
b) leave gun at home
c) dont go to venue.
d) pull gun on regular cheese and shoot holes in it so it becomes swiss cheese.

then you shall see.
simple gun logic bro

 

[Gameface]

well
let me put it this way. it is riskier to bring your gun into a gun free zone, depending on state it could carry pentalties.
99.9999999% of legitamite gun owners would not risk it
sneaking in candy vs sneaking in a legal concealed gun are 2 different things.

99.9999999999% of people would sneak in candy if given oppurtunity

yet almost no gun owner would.
in effect it is a gun free zone!

seriously how many legitamte gun owners do you know, aks em the question hey bro you go to a venue and the policy says no guns allowed what do you do
a )sneak in your gun.
b) leave gun at home
c) dont go to venue.
d) pull gun on regular cheese and shoot holes in it so it becomes swiss cheese.

then you shall see.
simple gun logic bro

That's generally not true. When a business says they don't allow guns there is no specific crime associated with bringing in a concealed weapon (if you have a CCL) into that establishment. If it is discovered that you have a weapon in violation of their policy they can ask you to leave. If you don't then you are trespassing. That's it.

Same goes for where you work. If your employer has a no guns policy and you bring in a concealed weapon they can fire you. And if you don't leave after being fired they can charge you with trespassing.

 

[VINYLONE]

https://news.yahoo.com/studies-show-fewer-gun-deaths-states-strict-gun-155130336.html

Yep, but let's looser restrictions.

From the 2nd paragraph of that article:

Researchers who have studied the issue argue they generally do, but with some caveats. They cannot say whether the laws, or some other factors, are the reason for a lower rate of firearm deaths and that there are exceptions.

And, yes, things are going swimmingly in locales such as Chicago, DC and Baltimore. We all know that when a criminal has decided to commit a capital offense, gun laws and legal procurement of a firearm is at the forefront of his or her thinking.

 

[VINYLONE]

The court of public opinion also voted W. Potus. Twice.

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. Please advise on the connection.

 

[VINYLONE]

More food for thought regarding mass shooting and the media:

While Trout was a little more over the top with his drawing of a connection, I stated that I'm sure there's a viable connection between mass shootings and they way they are reported. Yes, this is ONLY one study, but it's a study worth noting.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/02/health/contagious-mass-killings-study/index.html

The study, published in July the journal PLOS ONE, found evidence that school shootings and mass killings -- defined as four or more deaths -- spread "contagiously," and 20% to 30% of such killings appear to be the result of "infection." The contagion period lasts about 13 days, researchers found.

Researchers gathered records of school shootings and mass killings from several data sets and fit them into a mathematical "contagion model." The spread they found was not dependent on location, leading researchers to believe that national media coverage of a mass shooting might play a role. On average, mass shootings occur about once every two weeks in the United States and school shootings happen about once a month, the study said.

More from that article:

"We have so many semi-automatic weapons that can be easily concealed, and taken from the home and used on classmates or whoever," he said. "The real problem in (the United States) has to do with handguns being in the hands of the wrong people. But you can't blame it all on guns. (The United States) leads the Western world in nongun homicides, too."

So how does this effect suicides, as many of you folks in this thread have concerns with that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_suicide

You should also read the "journalism code" section of that wikipedia.

 

[♪alt13]

How to reduce homicide (my take)

Legalize marijuana nationally
Marijuana is a huge funding source for gangs, cartels, and is a major pillar holding up black markets

Treatment instead of prison for addicts
American prisons reprogram people for the worse. Send a junkie to prison and he comes out a junkie thug

Invest in Education
Especially in poor neighborhoods. Hopeless dead end neighborhoods are nearly as bad as prison. Some are probably worse.

Mental healthcare
I'm not just talking for psychopaths and schizophrenics. The only people that have access to quality mental healthcare are the people that least need it. There are ****loads of angry, scarred, depressed, and crazy people out there with nowhere to turn for help.

Wealth distribution across race
I don't know how but we have to close the income gap between racial groups. Equal education is key but I honestly don't think it will be enough. It's hard enough to climb out of poverty for white people.

De Facto segregation
I think that de facto segregation has serious social repercussions. My thought is that we could tackle this by offering people extra down payment assistance if they move into a zip code that is underrepresented by their race(even whites). I'm not sure that this would be constitutional but if we can do it for college students why not for FHA loans.

 

[Gameface]

****, I can't believe I slipped up and posted in this thread. Ugh.

 

[Dr. Jones]

****, I can't believe I slipped up and posted in this thread. Ugh.

I've not followed.

Very sincerely curious on your stance on gun control (ban).

 

[Gameface]

I feel like I usually talk too much in most of the gun threads.

To keep it simple I'm in favor of gun rights because I believe each person owns their own self and their own existence, and have the right and responsibility to determine their own outcome. Therefore each person has the right to protect their self. Firearms are an effective means of stopping things from threatening your existence.

But I'm not at all happy with current pro-gun culture. I think it has rejected the idea of personal responsibility in favor of simply asserting that guns are good and more guns are better.

 

[VINYLONE]

But I'm not at all happy with current pro-gun culture. I think it has rejected the idea of personal responsibility in favor of simply asserting that guns are good and more guns are better.

While I don't necessarily agree with the latter, I do agree with the former. I'm not a fan of the fetishizing of gun culture. I hate that many folks in the gun community treat the firearm as an accessory instead of the weapon that it is. A weapon that calls for discipline and respect.

If there are a couple of people that I respect in this regard, meaning the intellectual approach to firearms, it's Jeff Cooper who is no longer with us and Hickok45 on youtube.

 

[Miggs]

I love how the right (or in this case VO) always respond as if others want to eliminate guns. I never said that. Learn to read and infer dumbass. I said restrictions should be stronger. Background checks, like that.

I'm all for guns.