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[Stoked]

Create a black market? A black market already exist and is in full force.

Fair enough. You are correct. "Dramatically increase the demand and supply on the black market" is a better way to say it.

The reason I think the demand will grow is you now have a much larger clientele for guns. Instead of lets say a million people looking to buy black market guns you have 30, 40, 50 million... looking to buy a firearm.

Not to mention those that come up with a home made work around...

 

[Stoked]

fishonjazz is running circles around stoked

I'm glad you see a position you already agree with as the right one and running circles around those that don't agree.

Surprising, no really.

Still trying to engage in a useless religious debate I see. Keep plugging away and maybe someone will take your bait.

 

[Stoked]

Another difference between guns and drugs.
I don't know how to make a gun. Making drugs is easy for any idiot. You can sell drugs in bags the size of a dime. Super easy to conceal and transport and therefore distribute to customers.

The gun black market would not be the same as the drug blackmarket is for these types of reasons

There are plenty that do know how to make guns. Also carrying and concealing a firearm is extremely easy. Not all guns are 12 gauge shotguns.

 

[NAOS]

You baited yourself with the "moral argument" line. I just loled.

 

[Stoked]

You baited yourself with the "moral argument" line. I just loled.

And how is that one sided debate going for you? lol

 

[fishonjazz]

There are plenty that do know how to make guns. Also carrying and concealing a firearm is extremely easy. Not all guns are 12 gauge shotguns.

Just saying that they are not as easy to make. Not as easy to carry and deliver. And not addictive.

The drug black market is, and would be, bigger and more successful than the gun black market simply because it's easier and, due to addiction, in higher demand.

For those reasons I don't think comparing the legality of guns vs drugs is apples to apples

 

[Stoked]

Just saying that they are not as easy to make. Not as easy to carry and deliver. And not addictive.

The drug black market is, and would be, bigger and more successful than the gun black market simply because it's easier and, due to addiction, in higher demand.

For those reasons I don't think comparing the legality of guns vs drugs is apples to apples

I am not trying to compare a black market for guns in size to a black market for drugs. My point is that outlawing it will not stop the demand. Even if the motivation for that demand is different like it would be for drugs and guns.

Also "not as easy" does not mean hard. It is like saying extremely easy as compared to very easy. But yes drugs are easier to make and transport.

As Cy already pointed out there is already a black market for guns and they are legal for most people to obtain. If guns are banned you don't think that demand will increase? I think it will for a number of reasons. Further incentive for criminals to be armed as they know citizens will not be, hidden rebellion by more fanatical gun rights supporters against the gov., straight up human stubbornness...

 

[RandyForRubio]

Just saying that they are not as easy to make. Not as easy to carry and deliver. And not addictive.

The drug black market is, and would be, bigger and more successful than the gun black market simply because it's easier and, due to addiction, in higher demand.

For those reasons I don't think comparing the legality of guns vs drugs is apples to apples

Of course they're not identical, but the core issue is the same. Banning them won't get rid of them. These people will still get guns, and they'll still use them, we just won't have law obeying citizens with them.

 

[fishonjazz]

I am not trying to compare a black market for guns in size to a black market for drugs. My point is that outlawing it will not stop the demand. Even if the motivation for that demand is different like it would be for drugs and guns.

Also "not as easy" does not mean hard. It is like saying super, extremely, very easy to super, very easy.

But is hard to distribute guns. I mean with drugs I could literally carry hundreds of packages for customers and it's very affordable for them.
You cant just walk around hundreds of affordable guns for your customers.

They are simply very very different. I think this gun black market after a ban is easy overblown and somewhat of a myth.

 

[Stoked]

But is hard to distribute guns. I mean with drugs I could literally carry hundreds of packages for customers and it's very affordable for them.
You cant just walk around hundreds of affordable guns for your customers.

They are simply very very different. I think this gun black market after a ban is easy overblown and somewhat of a myth.

I don't and thankfully I doubt we will ever find out. I do not think guns are hard to distribute. It is already happening under the table all the time.

 

[JimLes]

Perhaps we should work on changing that thinking before we go out and ban something. Otherwise lets go and ban everything that can be harmful towards humans.

Why can't we do both simultaneously? Ban guns and educate people on why they're ruining the society.

Now I own a lot of guns. I enjoy them, I think they're fun. They definitely have uses. I would be opposed to a ban, but I do think we need to increase education on guns. We have required classes on sex, drugs, alcohol...why don't we do the same with guns? Why is that so unrealistic? We have a large amount of people spewing out rhetoric on a subject they know practically nothing about.

Would this education start with the principle that guns are a bad thing? For all of us? Because if it doesn't, it's a waste of time. As long as people believe that guns are fun, like you do, these sort of situations will happen. If you're going to talk to kids about this kind of stuff, the way to go would be peace education. Violence IS wrong, even when it's necessary. It's still wrong. Guns are not cool, nor fun, nor is killing people or animals.

I really don't understand how anyone could live in a society where guns and violence are celebrated as cool and manly and then be shocked when someone really takes this to heart.

 

[fishonjazz]

Of course they're not identical, but the core issue is the same. Banning them won't get rid of them. These people will still get guns, and they'll still use them, we just won't have law obeying citizens with them.

At least there would be less law abiding citizens shooting each other though. It's not like all shootings are done by criminals who purchased guns illegally. In fact I would bet that the majority of people getting shot by guns are from guns purchased legally. Law abiding citizens who got pissed when they were layed off work, wife cheated on them, got cut off in traffic, gun went off accidentally, hunting mishap, mental stability changed, etc etc.
Or someone stole a law abiding citizens gun and used it.

I have a feeling that the number of shootings by people who got their guns on the black market is quite small