Well Folks, we have a Point Guard: Trey Burke

[Harcher]

Before we start putting him on all-star teams or top 10 lists, please look at the competion, these 13 for example:

Chris Paul
Russel Westbrook
Stephen Curry
Kyrie Irving
Damian Lillard
Tony Parker
John Wall
Ricky Rubio
Jeff Teague
Jrue Holiday
Deron Williams
Rajon Rondo
Derrick Rose

That is a long list... I think the quantity of his All Star appearances will be slightly askew of his capabilities. Its possible that D Rose makes the all star team this year with the way fan voting goes... I do think though that Trey has shown in just a few games that he has what we were so excited about: the potential to be really good - all star good. And, if he is the RIGHT form of good - clutch, team leader, passing PG - (then add acceptable scoring skills), then we've got the right guy on the team. If he is THE scorer, then it is hard for me to see the equation work out because he'll demand (and get) too much money for his actual worth (the whole PG as the central star of your team argument. And it is looking like we'll never get to see Derek Rose prove that is possible in this current era.)

Without the value of the tank/draft, we are looking at Burke, Hayward, Favors as the possible Parker, Ginoboli, Duncan type situation. I wouldn't bet on those odds for a championship. However, if it was TB, GH, DF and Kanter all on the same level of performance, it seems physically possible (without tankful draft) but that is appears to be financially not possible. 4 guys at $12+M per year is too skewed to maintain a 8man rotation of legit players, and 13 man roster of non- D-leaguers. . It would be great to see older role players (the Battier, Ray Allen types) wanting to come to Utah for pennies on the dollar to win a championship, but it seems less likely for that to happen compared to Miami, LA, NYC...

Of course the better option/hope is to get Jabari (or other franchise dude) who plays on rookie contract when TB, GH, DF are at prime, year 3 and 4 from now... And going out further in time, GH becomes expendable because you have better 3-man core: small, medium and large on your team and who collectively get paid the targeted ~$42-$45M. ($12, $13, $17) I see a SASpurs-like 10 year run of championship contending team.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

Understand..
Trey is a rookie already transitioning his game with an injured shooting hand. Another offseason under Stockton, he might be worth the max before we even know it.

Look at Kyrie, for example. Fearless. I see him being that type of player for us if he keeps this rate going.

He came out of school a sophomore. He has a lot of room to grow.

 

[♪alt13]

Before we start putting him on all-star teams or top 10 lists, please look at the competion, these 13 for example:

Chris Paul
Russel Westbrook
Stephen Curry
Kyrie Irving
Damian Lillard
Tony Parker
John Wall
Ricky Rubio
Jeff Teague
Jrue Holiday
Deron Williams
Rajon Rondo
Derrick Rose

You forgot JLiii

 

[♪alt13]

You guys realize Allstar means Top 4 in the world right?

 

[blackham9258]

I am liking what I see but it looks like the Jazz picked the 2nd best PG in the draft. All through the draft process KOC and DL kept saying it was their job to pick the right guy. I actually think that Trey's leadership and demeanor is why they drafted him over MCW, because frankly Gordon and Favs aren't leaders. That said, MCW is the better player so far and I don't see that changing dramatically right now. You just can't teach the length and size of MCW.

What the Jazz need out of Trey is to be a George Hill type PG... competent, good, middle of the pack. He looks to me like a PG that will constantly be rated between 8-15 among point guards. That is pretty good considering how weak the draft was.

 

[doubledribble]

What the Jazz need out of Trey is to be a George Hill type PG... competent, good, middle of the pack. He looks to me like a PG that will constantly be rated between 8-15 among point guards. That is pretty good considering how weak the draft was.

The Jazz simply cannot afford having a top 5 PG, they are too expensive: CP3 and DWill are paid >18 million. You simply cannot afford to pay that much to your PG unless he is a scoring machine like Rose or Westbrooke. If you want to build a contender you reserve that kind of money for your bigs or a superscoring wing. Hill and Conley are paid 8 million each and the point guards of that tier are more than enough for a championship team. The Jazz drafted exactly the player they needed in Trey.

 

[silesian]

context

I dunno man...I think Trey Burke is a more talented version of Jameer Nelson, and he became an all-star.

Yes and so did Mo Williams.

First, look at the PG competition in the east when Jameer/ Mo were allstars

Second, look at the PGs in the league today.

Jameer's/ Mo's allstar years would not crack the current top 10 (not even close) with the current crop of PGs, and you need to be around top 5 (plus/minus) to be an all star.

 

[sgjazzfan]

It will be a while for Burke to make the all star team. Right now he has Westbrook, Paul, Curry, Lillard and Parker in front of him. Even if he outposts them, they get in on reputation alone. Look how long it took Williams to make the All-star game, and there weren't nearly the same caliber of pg that there are now.

 

[Deleted member 848]

It's quite scary how great Burke looks.

 

[cowhide]

Before we start putting him on all-star teams or top 10 lists, please look at the competion, these 13 for example:

Chris Paul - CP3 will make all-star on reputation alone but he is what an eight year vet.
Russel Westbrook - as long as OKC stays in the hunt and he stays healthy. He gets an all star pick until something changes
Stephen Curry - hasn't made an all star team yet. He should have but this year he will unless he gets hurt again. Injuries might make him replaceable
Kyrie Irving - Eastern conference
Damian Lillard - hasn't made one yet either but if Portland keeps winning he will be in the all-star game many times. Definitely competition for Burke.
Tony Parker - Getting old won't be around in two or three years
John Wall - Eastern conference
Ricky Rubio - He hasn't made an all-star yet. Unless Minnesota starts making the playoffs and if he stays healthy, Burke can beat him out.
Jeff Teague - Eastern conference
Jrue Holiday - Made the all star in the Eastern conference - Team has to win.
Deron Williams - Eastern conference - can't stay healthy
Rajon Rondo - Eastern conference
Derrick Rose - Eastern conference and another major injury.

Burke has a very good chance to be an all-star in the next few years if the Jazz youth movement pans out and he continues to play the way he has. Even the ROY Lillard didn't make the all-star game. Few rookies do because they have the rookie game. I think in 3 years Burke could be an all-star if the Jazz are contenders.

 

[ema]

It's quite scary how great Burke looks.

I like his shooting from deep. He can be the Stephen Curry Lite, sturdier and healthier version even.

 

[SojoDave]

I'm surprised at what a descent defender Trey is. I thought he would get eaten up by PG's, but he does a good job with staying in front of his man and digging out steals. Just like Ty taught him...