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What’s with the hate for Donovan Mitchell?

NUMBERICA said:
I shouldn’t respond but had some thoughts.

I truly don’t hate Donovan. He’s been a bit of a conniving little **** which is all that I fault him for. Him making power plays within the organization is all stuff that is on the organization from ownership to Quin, I don’t blame him for that. He succumbed to human nature, it’s okay.

More than anything, the timeline just isn’t right for him continuing on here. Not for him and not for us. Even if I full-out loved him, it just doesn’t make any sense. Whether he wants out or we want him here doesn’t change the writing on the wall here; the Jazz have signed 0 NBA players for their “retool” and have a roster that is half Timberwolves cast-offs.

I don’t know what I hope for him in the future. I don’t really like him but I hope I can cheer for him in the future. Right now, I’m mostly just done and truly don’t have much malice towards him. I’m just done.
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I honestly would not care if he went out and had a great career post-Utah (though obviously it would be great if he lost if Jazz picks are tied to his failures). If he lands on the right team he can probably finish pretty highly in total points scored and have a HOF career.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah, you notice the huge improvement that just happened?
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Like the one from 6 years ago?

Dude, I love Gobert, but I'd stop making excuses for him offensively. He's an all-world good guy and generational defender, but there is a reason we could never exploit smallball mismatches with him. To say he hasn't had a chance to develop his game is just bull****.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Rudy is off of the team and Donovan will be next. Then maybe we can get to some actual good conversations instead of both sides trolling and arguing with each other.
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Hell no. We are going to suck *** and likely f up our draft picks. The entire conversation will be about how Don didn't play defense. Or Rudy had zero offensive game.

If Don gets sent off, we will be bitter for a while because we wasted an amazing era of opportunity. We just got an unexpected laughable boatload for Rudy Gobert.

Build around Don for at least one season. He's probably been disengaged the last season or so because everything runs around Rudy. Give the guy a chance to shine.
 
TheStormofWar said:
Like the one from 6 years ago?

Dude, I love Gobert, but I'd stop making excuses for him offensively. He's an all-world good guy and generational defender, but there is a reason we could never exploit smallball mismatches with him. To say he hasn't had a chance to develop his game is just bull****.
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What a garbage poster
 
TheStormofWar said:
This is misleading. Rudy averaged anywhere from 8 to 10 FGA per game the last 6 years. Six. Years. That's enough time to do something between workouts, off season training, training camp, practices with and without the team, and other training regiments. But his post game, much like his FT%, hasn't budged.
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Yeah, he was stuck at league-record-setting 70% FG. That just sucks! I hate it when our big guy only gets 70% of their FG attempts. What a ****ing loser!
 
I always think it's funny how some people still insist on blaming Utah's *offense* for the Clippers series. The Jazz put up an offensive rating of over 120 in that series. This would equate to the greatest offense in NBA history (the KD Warriors was 115.6, for reference).

Our offense was garbage against the Mavs, and people blamed it on the Jazz not being able to punish the Mavs small-ball. The Mavs then proceeded to go up against Ayton in Round 2, who is supposed to be the ideal center for countering small-ball, and the Mavs annihilated them over the last 5 games of that series. Ayton put up a blistering 5 points against the Mavs small-ball in Game 7.

The Warriors torched the Mavs defense in the WCF, despite starting two non floor spacers who each averaged less points per game than Gobert.

At some point, when reality disagrees with your theory, you need to be willing to cast aside your theory.
 
MT Steve said:
I always think it's funny how some people still insist on blaming Utah's *offense* for the Clippers series. The Jazz put up an offensive rating of over 120 in that series. This would equate to the greatest offense in NBA history (the KD Warriors was 115.6, for reference).

Our offense was garbage against the Mavs, and people blamed it on the Jazz not being able to punish the Mavs small-ball. The Mavs then proceeded to go up against Ayton in Round 2, who is supposed to be the ideal center for countering small-ball, and the Mavs annihilated them over the last 5 games of that series. Ayton put up a blistering 5 points against the Mavs small-ball in Game 7.

The Warriors torched the Mavs defense in the WCF, despite starting two non floor spacers who each averaged less points per game than Gobert.

At some point, when reality disagrees with your theory, you need to be willing to cast aside your theory.
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What was our defensive rating
 
LoPo said:
Build around Don for at least one season. He's probably been disengaged the last season or so because everything runs around Rudy. Give the guy a chance to shine.
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Assuming DM stays, here is the chance. New coach, no Rudy to build around. This is the time to shine. Let's see if the FO can get some better players around him the rest of this off season. Even is it's all scrubs, DM should shine.
 
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