What changes fix the slow start and how do we implement them from the beginning?

[fishonjazz]

We start off playing like robots just passing around the perimeter. Every team just needs to over play the passing lanes at the start of the game and we are screwed, just like the Bulls did. Passing like Quin wants only works with high intensity and driving. Not this pump fake pass, pump fake jab step pass bull **** that we do at the start.

How do we fix it? **** if I know.

THIS!

 

[Stifle Tower]

There is no chicken or egg conundrum. The predecessor of chickens, and all the offspring along the chain of mutations and selection that led to the animal we recognize today as a chicken, came from an egg. So the egg came first.

But there was a animal to lay that egg and that one before it, back to the beginnings of life and organisms which did not use eggs in the reproduction cycle. But let's not talk about evolution. The whole "which came first reference" was merely to point out that the Jazz don't need to worry about the root cause. If we're trying to go that route, maybe then the next step is to find out what is causing the lack of focus for certain players - are they not getting enough sleep, are they thinkimg about their hot wife/GF waiting for them after the game, perhaps thinking they have to put up big numbers for a new contract...?

I was merely suggesting that there are symptoms that are immediately treatable. Instead of playing psychologist, play pharmacist. And concentrating on the symptoms would also treat the cause in this instance. If the cause of the slow starts is lack of focus, then have the team concentrate on making good passes on offense and rebounding on defense. Giving them specific things to focus on improves their total focus which then should result in better starts.

I don't have time right now to go back through 15 game logs, but just from watching all the games, I can say with pretty solid certainty that when the Jazz lose, it's generally because of giving up too many turnovers and offense rebounds. I've noted a couple of times in game threads when the opponents have had 15-20+ more shot attempts than Utah. And that's caused by those things.

 

[Just Ted]

Cut down on turnovers. When you don't have the ball, it's virtually impossible to score. And a bad pass sends the opponent running down the court, which usually ends up in a bucket or free throws.

This seems like the heart of the issue. our first few possesions have been terrible. Lots' of turnovers, lot's of lazy to bad passes. Maybe there pre-game prep needs to change. They don't seem focused.

 

[Stifle Tower]

This seems like the heart of the issue. our first few possesions have been terrible. Lots' of turnovers, lot's of lazy to bad passes. Maybe there pre-game prep needs to change. They don't seem focused.

Please change your avatar. I'll do anything...please, for the love of Hayward.

 

[framer]

This seems like the heart of the issue. our first few possesions have been terrible. Lots' of turnovers, lot's of lazy to bad passes. Maybe there pre-game prep needs to change. They don't seem focused.

Too much deferring at the start of the game with overpassing while they feel out the defense. Some of this will be fixed as we play teams multiple times. Hayward needs to sack up and look to score earlier in the game. If the other team put a plan in place to stop him, THEN he can start deferring to the mismatches that the extra attention on him creates. Right now he is looking to get others involved before any move is made to stop him individually. If the team is lacking in big men, just run pick and roll with Burke and Favors over and over until they move to stop you. Stock and Malone would do this all game long relentlessly and sometimes NOBODY would even attempt to stop it. But mainly Hayward signed the big check the responsibility is his.

 

[Goodluckchuck]

What I see is the team trying to let the game come to them so to speak. It's strange. It's almost like they still play for Corbin or have that mentality. They don't attack and they wait for Hayward or Favors to dictate. I know you have to get into the flow of the game. But it shouldn't take 2 qrtrs to do so. I loved how Favors was attacking last night. Not waiting for "his time". But doing something about it. I think we have to set the tone early. Stop watching and hesitating, and start attacking and play balls to wall.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Good point, framer. Alpha dogs (Hayward and Favors) need to step up and make the opponents stop them. I still think the ultimate answer will be finding a legit 3PT threat at SG and making Burks our scorer off the bench. Alec could still be the 2nd or 3rd leading scorer for Utah and average 30 mins + as a 6th man. Jazz just need a player who could really open up their offense.

 

[framer]

Good point, framer. Alpha dogs (Hayward and Favors) need to step up and make the opponents stop them. I still think the ultimate answer will be finding a legit 3PT threat at SG and making Burks our scorer off the bench. Alec could still be the 2nd or 3rd leading scorer for Utah and average 30 mins + as a 6th man. Jazz just need a player who could really open up their offense.

When we play Dallas they go to Dirk over and over right from the start of the game until we stop him or he gets tired. At that point you can diversify the offense because the defense will need to become unbalanced to deal with Dirk. That's what you do when you have a star. Hayward has shown enough for me to believe we can start putting him in this type of role, at least to begin a game. It would be awesome if Favors started getting there too.

 

[freakazoid]

If the team is lacking in big men, just run pick and roll with Burke and Favors over and over until they move to stop you. Stock and Malone would do this all game long relentlessly and sometimes NOBODY would even attempt to stop it.

Can't believe nobody has thought of this sooner. We just need a couple of players who are as good as John and Karl to run the pick and roll. Problem solved.

 

[freakazoid]

It's strange. It's almost like they still play for Corbin or have that mentality.

That is strange. I'd say our problems still have to do with Corbin, even though he's not around. Either that, or our team just wasn't that good last year, and fans have overestimated Corbin's influence on our win/loss record. Could be either one.

 

[framer]

Can't believe nobody has thought of this sooner. We just need a couple of players who are as good as John and Karl to run the pick and roll. Problem solved.

Stock and Karl could do it even when the other team had a good front line. If you RTFP I qualified this strategy to be used against teams with WEAK front lines. Like Phoenix, for example. . .

 

[b_line]

Can't believe nobody has thought of this sooner. We just need a couple of players who are as good as John and Karl to run the pick and roll. Problem solved.

I hear Blake and CP3 are not available, maybe we could try to not trade for them?