What Do We Do this Off Season if the Tank Fails?
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Coach Ellis
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Maybe, but I'd rather see them try to have them play together under the direction of a new coach before they move any of them. This year was supposed to be the year for that, but Corbin couldn't bring himself to do it.
Hire a new coach, rescind the rights for all the veteran free agents and go super young. Young starters. Young bench. Use the D-League for the whole season. See what you have and prep yourself for an aggressive 2015 offseason. If you want to trade one of the young core players, wait until the trade deadline and see what's out there. Use the cap space from not signing veterans to swing another trade like last year.
Favors and Kanter are both still developing as players. You can keep both and bring Kanter off the bench unless his offense just demands that he start.
I'd like to see Gobert break out a bit next year with more strength and more poise. I'd like to see him get more minutes and maybe finish some close games.
Hayward needs to be a spot up shooter who can drive and dish if he gets chased off the 3pt line. He needs to play more like he did a year ago. He doesn't handle well enough or shoot off the dribble well enough to be an ideal playmaker. He should leave that to the Burk Bros. He should take more minutes at SF and replace Richard Jefferson in this year's starting line-up.
Burks needs to keep developing his pull-up game to complement his ability to drive.
Burke just needs to get better at everything.
The Jazz need to bring in an offensive-minded stud whom they can run the offense through. It could be a player at either forward spot. Randle or Embiid would fit the bill. I'm actually worried that Jabari doesn't have a natural position in the pros. He's a bit small for a PF, and I don't see him guarding guys like Blake Griffin or Enes Kanter.
If the Jazz don't get a big-time scorer in the draft, we may have to run the offense through Kanter next year.
I'd like to see Gobert break out a bit next year with more strength and more poise. I'd like to see him get more minutes and maybe finish some close games.
Hayward needs to be a spot up shooter who can drive and dish if he gets chased off the 3pt line. He needs to play more like he did a year ago. He doesn't handle well enough or shoot off the dribble well enough to be an ideal playmaker. He should leave that to the Burk Bros. He should take more minutes at SF and replace Richard Jefferson in this year's starting line-up.
Burks needs to keep developing his pull-up game to complement his ability to drive.
Burke just needs to get better at everything.
The Jazz need to bring in an offensive-minded stud whom they can run the offense through. It could be a player at either forward spot. Randle or Embiid would fit the bill. I'm actually worried that Jabari doesn't have a natural position in the pros. He's a bit small for a PF, and I don't see him guarding guys like Blake Griffin or Enes Kanter.
If the Jazz don't get a big-time scorer in the draft, we may have to run the offense through Kanter next year.
Sexual Favors
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This. I can't believe so many people want to quit on what we haven't seen. None of the young guys, except Hayward actually got starters minutes this year. I'm reserving judgement on the group until I see a season of them TOGETHER.
Coach Ellis
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A. Replace Ty Corbin. I'd prefer a defensive minded coach, but would be perfectly happy to have a guy who will open things up, speed up the tempo and let these young guys run.
B. Let all of your veteran free agents walk. No more Williams, Jefferson, Rush, (Biedrins) or JLIII. Go super young off the bench. If you're going to add any veterans, do it like last year and use the extra cap space to buy players in a cash dump for another team. Try to land an extra 2015 or 2016 first round pick.
3. Keep the young core intact. Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Burks and Burke at least as a starting 5. Keep Gobert, Evans, Murphy, Garrett, Clark and bring over Neto for the bench. Add three new players from the draft. I'd personally draft our top 7 kid, try to trade up for a player who falls with the GSW pick and the early 2nd round pick and then buy another late 1st like last year.
4. Have the new coach spend his first year with the club evaluating the young talent and try to figure out how all of the pieces fit together. He can use any combination of starters and bench as long as he mixes it up and pushes them to develop. If nobody emerges as a go-to #1 option, look at the 2015 draft or free agency to try to acquire one. Hopefully the guy drafted in the lottery this year is that guy and Burks, Favors or Kanter takes a big step up.
B. Let all of your veteran free agents walk. No more Williams, Jefferson, Rush, (Biedrins) or JLIII. Go super young off the bench. If you're going to add any veterans, do it like last year and use the extra cap space to buy players in a cash dump for another team. Try to land an extra 2015 or 2016 first round pick.
3. Keep the young core intact. Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Burks and Burke at least as a starting 5. Keep Gobert, Evans, Murphy, Garrett, Clark and bring over Neto for the bench. Add three new players from the draft. I'd personally draft our top 7 kid, try to trade up for a player who falls with the GSW pick and the early 2nd round pick and then buy another late 1st like last year.
4. Have the new coach spend his first year with the club evaluating the young talent and try to figure out how all of the pieces fit together. He can use any combination of starters and bench as long as he mixes it up and pushes them to develop. If nobody emerges as a go-to #1 option, look at the 2015 draft or free agency to try to acquire one. Hopefully the guy drafted in the lottery this year is that guy and Burks, Favors or Kanter takes a big step up.
Sexual Favors
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Using our cap and GSW pick for a vet is premature, and would ruin our championship goals. We don't need to go back to the route of mediocrity just to pacify some crybaby fans. We are still very much in the development stage. If Dennis Lindsey was/is serious about not skipping steps, we can't skip this one. Our guys have learned enough from watching vets. Jazz need to pull the band-aid off and let this group take their lumps and learn on the court, like they said they were going to last offseason. Hayward was the only member of the C5 to get 36 mins this year, that's unacceptable at this point.
At this point, no one from the core is a vocal leader on the team. Bringing in a vet, even a Marvin Williams type vet will just inspire more deference from our guys. They're old enough that they can be the vets as we build through the draft and use the Dleague to fill out the remaining roster spots. Having your team leaders be over-the-hill rent-a-vets does nothing to build the chemistry and foundation for our championship aspirations. I see our current guys, except maybe Trey, being brainwashed into deferring to these subpar vets by Corbin's philosophies. It is time to rip the band-aid off. Hayward, Favors and Evans will be 5th year players. They are the vets. If they were the vets, I could see Trey, or even a rookie like Parker stepping up as the team's vocal leader.
At this point, no one from the core is a vocal leader on the team. Bringing in a vet, even a Marvin Williams type vet will just inspire more deference from our guys. They're old enough that they can be the vets as we build through the draft and use the Dleague to fill out the remaining roster spots. Having your team leaders be over-the-hill rent-a-vets does nothing to build the chemistry and foundation for our championship aspirations. I see our current guys, except maybe Trey, being brainwashed into deferring to these subpar vets by Corbin's philosophies. It is time to rip the band-aid off. Hayward, Favors and Evans will be 5th year players. They are the vets. If they were the vets, I could see Trey, or even a rookie like Parker stepping up as the team's vocal leader.
Sexual Favors
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I like. My only caveat would be to make sure any vets acquired in cap space trade for picks were actually completely over the hill and repugnant to our new coach. The RJ situation this year was unacceptable. Our young guys learned a horrible brand of basketball from him, coupled with atrocious perimeter defense and youth blaming tactica for his own mistakes.
Coach Ellis
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Agreed. In fact, any veteran who comes back in a deal like that needs to ride the pine until they can waive him like Biedrins and then pick up another young guy off waivers. I'd rather have a guy down in the D-League for the entire season than a repeat of Jefferson/Biedrins/Rush.
Stifle Tower
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And you're saying the tank "fails" because we didn't get into the top 3? Seriously, that was never the goal nor the fantasy of Lindsey and Co. With the group they had - including Burke coming in - the team should have won at least 30 games. The expectations by many on this board were thrown WAY off due to the injury to Trey and the brutal early schedule (9 of 15 on the road, only 4 non-playoff teams and 4 of their home games against elite teams). What WAS disappointing, IMO, is that neither Favors NOR Hayward has really stepped up and been a leader. Add to that Kanter's defensive woes and the team has UNDERACHIEVED.
So instead of a pick in the 10-14 range, the Jazz are in the mix for a pick somewhere between 4-6 pre-lottery. I'd say the tank SUCCEEDED.
Like others, I don't think anyone in this draft will immediately make the Jazz a contender nor even a playoff team. For all the hoopla we heard about this being one of the best drafts EVER, I just don't see that. Of the first 8 or so, there will be some all-stars, but likely a few "busts" relative to their draft positions. That's been the case most years. It will almost certainly be a much stronger draft than 2001 or 2013, but who knows how many "superstars" will actually emerge.
Jazz need a "core 8" to succeed (3 bigs, 3 wings and 2 PG's). Beyond that, fill in with cheaper vets and young players. Jazz supposedly have 5 core players with perhaps two more on the way via the draft this season and MAYBE Neto as the backup point. But, are those players good enough? I don't think so. I see Lindsey deciding which core players to keep and then trading assets or using free agency to bring in a couple of GOOD veterans. Jazz need a #1 scorer like they had in Boozer. They need to determine if Trey is going to be a PG or if Hayward is running the team. If the latter is the case, the PG needs to be a good shooter and Trey is the wrong fit. Can Favors and Kanter co-exist or do they continue to get torched defensively?
This team definitely needs direction and purpose. And that's where I think TY has fallen short, even more so than actual X's and O's.
Stifle Tower
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The only one on here that really supports boobs is "The Jazz Wonderbra."
I beg to differ. I support some all the time.
I agree with a lot of what people are saying.
My two cents:
1) I think it is time for a new coach. One that can teach team defense and change the way the team plays on offense.
2) Give the ball to Trey Burke - you drafted him as the PG. Tell him he needs to average 10 assists and cut down on his shooting.
3) SIgn Hayward to an $8-9 million contract. If he still wants more than $10m then trade his butt.
4) Hayward needs to be a spot up shooter and a secondary ball handler.
5) Trey Burke is right now our alpha dog regardless of his size. He should be taking the last shot and be handling the ball at the end of the game.
6) Play Kanter and Favors together if they can't work it out either trade one or go with a different rotation. Now if the Jazz draft Embiid. You either go with Favors/Embiid or Kanter/Gobert
7) Send Gobert to Karl Malone's house and have his wife cook him some southern food and work out with Karl. Dude needs to gain about 15 lbs of muscle.
8) Get rid of all vets - DO NOT bring back Marvin or Jefferson. It is time for the young guys to be forced into leadership if they don't do it naturally. Personally I think Trey will step up next year and be the leader if the coaching staff trust him with controls.
9) Draft a wing player in this draft - someone who can either shoot the lights out or play good defense and still shoot a little.
10) Run more on offense. The Jazz have all this young athletic talent and they walk the ball up too much.
11) Start winning so I don't have to listen to all the fair weather fans whining about how bad this team is.
12) Fans - Be patient - it will be worth it someday.
My two cents:
1) I think it is time for a new coach. One that can teach team defense and change the way the team plays on offense.
2) Give the ball to Trey Burke - you drafted him as the PG. Tell him he needs to average 10 assists and cut down on his shooting.
3) SIgn Hayward to an $8-9 million contract. If he still wants more than $10m then trade his butt.
4) Hayward needs to be a spot up shooter and a secondary ball handler.
5) Trey Burke is right now our alpha dog regardless of his size. He should be taking the last shot and be handling the ball at the end of the game.
6) Play Kanter and Favors together if they can't work it out either trade one or go with a different rotation. Now if the Jazz draft Embiid. You either go with Favors/Embiid or Kanter/Gobert
7) Send Gobert to Karl Malone's house and have his wife cook him some southern food and work out with Karl. Dude needs to gain about 15 lbs of muscle.
8) Get rid of all vets - DO NOT bring back Marvin or Jefferson. It is time for the young guys to be forced into leadership if they don't do it naturally. Personally I think Trey will step up next year and be the leader if the coaching staff trust him with controls.
9) Draft a wing player in this draft - someone who can either shoot the lights out or play good defense and still shoot a little.
10) Run more on offense. The Jazz have all this young athletic talent and they walk the ball up too much.
11) Start winning so I don't have to listen to all the fair weather fans whining about how bad this team is.
12) Fans - Be patient - it will be worth it someday.