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What do you think about the decision to NOT VOTE for president?

Just his general `likeability` factor. It`s pretty low. I`ve never seen anyone flip-flop and say whatever it takes more than him.

That could also be said differently. He, more than any other presidential candidate, is not as likeable as some/most because he's willing to change his mind based on new information, rather than just stay put .. At the risk of being labeled a flip-flopper.
 
Everyone is so disilusioned because the media tells us we should be and because we're purists who fail to discount political reality being what it is.

Says the guy that praises Ben Bernanke and Quantitative Easing.

Mitt Romney is the perfect candidate, an excellent person, successful, pragmatic, honest in his dealings, charitable, & willing to actually make decisions he thinks are good for the nation while doing so within the political framework he will have to work within.

You obviously never paid attention to how Bain Capitol handles it's business.

Get over yourselves with this all candidates suck nonsense that's been pushed since the beginning of time & vote for the only candidate in the last two election cycles capable of actual, honest to goodness leadership.

Or you can always write-in a candidate that's been saying all the right things for the last 30 years, and even predicted the '08 crisis almost 10 years beforehand.
 
I'm sure nobody cares but I spent 20 years of eligibility abstaining until last week, when I registered for the first time.

I absolutely agree with the philosophy that vote=right to bitch and have kept my mouth shut on these themes all this time. Now that I'm a voter I was kind of surprised that I still don't really care to try to rally for my side. This country suffers from an atmosphere of extreme tribalism, and worrying about the big ticket is probably a waste of time compared with voting locally. I don't think I'll bother to chime in on national issues since it's so obvious we've all made up our minds, or rather that those of us who haven't probably don't need one more random take to clinch their view.

I'm pretty stoked to vote for a Libertarian Sheriff though. I wouldn't vote for a senator or president on a lib ticket probably but a Sheriff hells yea. The guy is promising to end speed traps, cameras on stoplights, DUI checkpoints and says the rights of the individual will be the focus of a lot of his leadership. That's refreshing and definitely worth the time it'll take me to get down to the poll.
 
Just his general `likeability` factor. It`s pretty low. I`ve never seen anyone flip-flop and say whatever it takes more than him.

In my opinion that is pretty inaccurate. Romney flops, no question. However so do other politicians.

I like how most of Obamas personal likeable traits can be said of Romney. Family man, smart, good looking, religious...
 
Nice points re: health care. I'd like to hear more of your thoughts about the economics and politics of it. Very intriguing stuff, to say the least.

As far as taxes go, I've been saying for months he won't actually lower taxes on the rich. Now I have it on really good word that he's telling this to his rich donors, in private, to their faces. Recently Kevin Hassett said he will do what is pragmatic to balance the budget, cap govt. spending at 20% of GDP, and won't cut taxes for the rich if that's what is required to meet these goals. He's going Reagan, but opposite on the debt front.

Social security must be reformed and I have no reason to believe democrats have any intention of fixing it. They failed to do so with two years of total control. But with a democratic senate, republicans will have to offer compromises like assuring the elderly who are unable to work will receive benefits at younger ages. Hopefully there will also be incentives to hire older workers who are currently being pushed out of employment due to age. We need political reasons to make these bargains.

On a much larger scale, I think a lot hinges on China. We weren't scared to go after Japanese export oriented meddling in 1985 & I have no reason to believe Romney won't push for the Chinese version of a Plaza Accord. Either way, export dependent eras always end badly if the offending nation doesn't change their ways (USA 1929, Japan 1985, Germany today to some extent). They have to, so China is staring at two choices. They can either "dump" dollars & create a more consumer oriented internal economy and hope it works, or, they can keep relying on exports and hope the drag this creates on the rest of the world won't hold growth down too much. At some point though, trade imbalances & homeland debt becomes too heavy & policy responses become necessary. If other factors don't overcome the Chinese labor advantage then we will respond. China is on the verge of a depression and our response will likely push them into one. That will cause a plunge in commodity import prices, & I hope we'd be smart enough to raise fuel taxes to overcome the downward pull on fuel efficiency gains.

There's also a good possibility that Japan will be forced to "dump" dollars to fund their own pensions. Dumping is scary to gold bugs but it is the healthy antithesis to trade imbalances and will put Americans to work as dollars repatriate back into the hands of our businesses. This will lower unemployment and raise Treasury revenue. If China and Japan don't dump treasuries then we'll continue inflating them away, and they'll be forced to respond to us and will inflate their value down for us. Both nations already have, and Japan just might finally kick start their economy again after two decades of malaise. China swung for the moon with their own stimulus back in 2008.

Ahh, being America kicks ***. We win no matter what you do, so you might as well get with the 20th century and join us in the 21st.


Thank you all for the stage to write that out on. It helps to clarify my thought and fine tune an investment thesis.
 
Except for Romney`s shark-like business dealings...

That`s the main reason his likeability factor is low.

So basically you do not deny any of what I said. Got it. If Obama is geven credit for those things, as he should, than why not Romney?
 
So basically you do not deny any of what I said. Got it. If Obama is geven credit for those things, as he should, than why not Romney?

The big difference is that Romney didn't give everyone in Cleveland a free phone. That's why they don't like him in Ohio.

(caution: this video is not safe for your ears.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tpAOwJvTOio
 
The big difference is that Romney didn't give everyone in Cleveland a free phone. That's why they don't like him in Ohio.

(caution: this video is not safe for your ears.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tpAOwJvTOio


This woman is the prototypical 47%'er
 
Do what you gotta do it really doesnt matter either way. I vote because I care, but I know its not changing anything. It just allows me to say " I told you so" when the person I didnt vote for ****s up. Or for people to hammer me when I vote for a loser.
 
Do what you gotta do it really doesnt matter either way. I vote because I care, but I know its not changing anything. It just allows me to say " I told you so" when the person I didnt vote for ****s up. Or for people to hammer me when I vote for a loser.

It is no ones business , in my opinion, who you vote for. Just vote. The real change that we can affect is in more local elections. City council, mayor, sherrif, state level representatives. Some US Senate and House races.

We start filling all the bottom rungs with people that support our views than that slowly works it's way up.
 
It is no ones business , in my opinion, who you vote for. Just vote. The real change that we can affect is in more local elections. City council, mayor, sherrif, state level representatives. Some US Senate and House races.

We start filling all the bottom rungs with people that support our views than that slowly works it's way up.

Trickle up politics?
 
Trickle up politics?

Have to start somewhere. My vote carries much more weight in a city council vote than it does for president. Only way to change the parties is not to demand they provide us with acceptable leaders but to change the culture of the parties.

How much harder of a time would Hatch have if he comes to Iron and Washingotn counties and all the local politicians are backing someone else?
 
Romney is the worst Presidential candidate i`ve ever seen.

It shouldn`t take much to unseat Obama - yet Romney will pretty much get blown out.

Here's everything you need to know behind the campaign slogans & the truth about Romney's alleged $5trillion tax cut on rich financed by a $2,000 tax hike on the poor while Obama gets a pass for making the same promises he did in 2008 but failed to keep with full control. Obama's adviser get's his turn too, but he's a talking point buffoon just like his boss.

Romney is a blue dog:

https://www.c-span.org/Events/Top-E...ampaigns-Discuss-Business-Policy/10737434351/

Sorry, silencer, it's too long for you.
 
In my opinion that is pretty inaccurate. Romney flops, no question. However so do other politicians.

I like how most of Obamas personal likeable traits can be said of Romney. Family man, smart, good looking, religious...

Unfortunately, people let Romney's different religious views cloud their judgement (not all people, just the ones that refuse to learn about the other issues.) Personally, I would rather vote for a person that stuck by their religious beliefs (whether catholic, mormon, athiest, etc.) than someone who denounces their faith or the church they have been a member of for years because it would weaken their campaign. Romney knows his political views are unpopular but he has never turned his back on his beliefs to gain points in a poll (same can't be said for Mr. Obama)

I have also heard people say they don't like Romney because he has no personality. We aren't voting for prom king here. We want our president to be competent and have the ability to turn our country around. If you think that is Obama, then by all means vote for Obama, but not because he has a more personality...

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