Mission Accomplished
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YOu are a moron you name is idolizing the Superstar the KOC drove out of here give me a @$% D@$$ break.
What if we are stuck in rebuilding mode long term, ala the Clippers, Wizards, TWolves?
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YOu are a moron you name is idolizing the Superstar the KOC drove out of here give me a @$% D@$$ break.
freakazoid
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Brillyant post goOd. I think you ideas our smart kocsucks and fired.
What if we draft Jimmer #6?
What if we can never wear headbands?
What if Greg is the owner until he dies, and he lives to be 100?
What if Sloan returns?
What if Malone is never apart of the coaching staff?
What if Ty Corbin gets a 5 year deal?
What if Favors never leaves his hotel room for 3 years?
What if the Heat win 5 titles in a row?
What if Memo gets another extension?
What if Collins comes back?
What if Palin becomes President?
What if Jazzfanz closes down?
What if my buzz ends?
What if we can never wear headbands?
What if Greg is the owner until he dies, and he lives to be 100?
What if Sloan returns?
What if Malone is never apart of the coaching staff?
What if Ty Corbin gets a 5 year deal?
What if Favors never leaves his hotel room for 3 years?
What if the Heat win 5 titles in a row?
What if Memo gets another extension?
What if Collins comes back?
What if Palin becomes President?
What if Jazzfanz closes down?
What if my buzz ends?
i like your overall optimism but this statement is plainly wrong.
there is day and night between williams and harris. don't get me wrong, i think we did ok out of that trade but history says to me that anytime you trade a superstar and don't get one back, you lose the trade.
the best we can do is reload with some young talent (we'll need a bit more luck with the draft than we're accustomed to!) and be smart about which veteran players we bring in to help ease the short term pain (eg. raja was not a smart choice).
I agree with that, and agree that Harris is not too close to Williams' equal. I still think Favors could be as good as Deron, though. And who knows what the #6 pick could turn into. (Could still turn into the #1 pick, for example.)
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3 years ago Devin Harris averaged 21 and 7, not too far off of the league MVP this year. Again, im not putting him and DWill on the same level but it has been a very long time since Harris has been sorrounded with this much talent in a team. Seeing as we have Favors as a very likely Allstar in the future, a former all-star in Devin Harris whos style of play blends perfectly with a potential ball-dominating Hayward AND potentially a great draft pick, Id say we probably didnt come out too bad after all. As someone said earlier, if we draft really well the DWill trade will be looked back as highway robbery. Im personally all for giving Devin Harris a chance, he has a good demeanor, hes a smart guy and he could work really well for this Jazz team. Too many people are pessimistic regarding what he can bring to the table, so I figured id stand up for him. Give Harris, Sap and Jefferson a year to mesh, if it doesnt work then oh well we have 2 more lottery picks and we can blow up our core at that point. I just think we have really good pieces, and are 1 starter and 1-2 good bench players away from being a seriously good team.
Harris is not even close to as good as Deron. Nor will he last as long since his entire game is predicated on his quickness and not his playmaking or shooting. Or strength.
The risk you run when you trade your franchise player and your coach feels he has to go is that you lose your identity and your steam. After Deron was traded, that was the last link to anything good that this team used to do. Now you start over. Harris and Jefferson should not be a part of that plan, IMO, because they're the two highest-paid players, not that good in the first place, a plainly poor match together (lane-crashing, poor-shooting PG + soft tweener low-post player with blinders on and poor coordination = when matching skill-sets and burning >$20 million annually), and even if they figure it out, they'll be a lot older than the players the Jazz will be acquiring over the years and even less than useful.
Considering that the Jazz are already rebuilding, Harris and Jefferson - who haven't really been known for their ability to help a team win (Nets stayed about the same or got worse, Mavericks got a little worse and then got a lot better/Timberwolves are as bad as they've always been and the Jazz became a lot worse) - aren't saving us from anything. And considering that in certain situations they might be nice players or might fetch some value on the market, it makes no sense to me to move forward with them. I'm hoping something happens on draft day where one of them is moved. Fortunately, the worst-case is they run out their contract and the Jazz lose them for nothing after figuring out that they aren't for us. Actually, I guess the worst case is the Jazz keep losing and still fall in love with the guys and extend them.
And yeah, WHAT IF the Jazz turn into one of those teams? You can bet they'll be sold and moved at some point if they don't turn it around. I've already resigned myself to the possibility that the Jazz become the Seattle Supersonics (the most ideal move if it has to happen) or something along those lines. But that doesn't mean I hope it comes down to that. If anything, the most foolish move was giving a guy with basically no experience as a coach (2nd assistant in charge of developing players and never having head-coached or even being a 1st assistant doesn't exactly instill optimism from me, besides being a good but mostly forgettable player) the keys without exploring other options. Bad move. I don't love Rick Adelman, JVG isn't perfect, but hell, at least they've done it before and can hopefully guide the team through some rocky times a little better.
Anyway, I'm rambling.
The risk you run when you trade your franchise player and your coach feels he has to go is that you lose your identity and your steam. After Deron was traded, that was the last link to anything good that this team used to do. Now you start over. Harris and Jefferson should not be a part of that plan, IMO, because they're the two highest-paid players, not that good in the first place, a plainly poor match together (lane-crashing, poor-shooting PG + soft tweener low-post player with blinders on and poor coordination = when matching skill-sets and burning >$20 million annually), and even if they figure it out, they'll be a lot older than the players the Jazz will be acquiring over the years and even less than useful.
Considering that the Jazz are already rebuilding, Harris and Jefferson - who haven't really been known for their ability to help a team win (Nets stayed about the same or got worse, Mavericks got a little worse and then got a lot better/Timberwolves are as bad as they've always been and the Jazz became a lot worse) - aren't saving us from anything. And considering that in certain situations they might be nice players or might fetch some value on the market, it makes no sense to me to move forward with them. I'm hoping something happens on draft day where one of them is moved. Fortunately, the worst-case is they run out their contract and the Jazz lose them for nothing after figuring out that they aren't for us. Actually, I guess the worst case is the Jazz keep losing and still fall in love with the guys and extend them.
And yeah, WHAT IF the Jazz turn into one of those teams? You can bet they'll be sold and moved at some point if they don't turn it around. I've already resigned myself to the possibility that the Jazz become the Seattle Supersonics (the most ideal move if it has to happen) or something along those lines. But that doesn't mean I hope it comes down to that. If anything, the most foolish move was giving a guy with basically no experience as a coach (2nd assistant in charge of developing players and never having head-coached or even being a 1st assistant doesn't exactly instill optimism from me, besides being a good but mostly forgettable player) the keys without exploring other options. Bad move. I don't love Rick Adelman, JVG isn't perfect, but hell, at least they've done it before and can hopefully guide the team through some rocky times a little better.
Anyway, I'm rambling.
AlaskanAssassin
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I'm not too worried about ending up like the Wizards, Clips, or T-Wolves. At least those teams have an opportunity to draft a superstar on occasion. The Clips future looks good with Blake, the Wizards got Wall, the T-Pups got Rubi......well I guess I don't want to end up like the T-Wolves.
Actually, I would prefer to be in their shoes than a team like the Bucks, Bobcats, or Suns. It is worse to be stuck as a middle-of-the-road team, never able to land a top pick, and making the playoffs will only result in a quick first round loss. We have enough talent and proven system that should always keep us above the cellar dwellers, but my fear is we will be stuck in the middle for the next 10 years.
Actually, I would prefer to be in their shoes than a team like the Bucks, Bobcats, or Suns. It is worse to be stuck as a middle-of-the-road team, never able to land a top pick, and making the playoffs will only result in a quick first round loss. We have enough talent and proven system that should always keep us above the cellar dwellers, but my fear is we will be stuck in the middle for the next 10 years.
Last year the Jazz didn't have anyone who could a) dribble or b) shoot. I'm withholding judgment on the team overall until we get someone who can do these things.
The playoff teams have two shooters who can spread the floor, one or two players who can slash, and one or two defensive bigs. The Jazz have one shooter, one mediocre slasher, and one defensive big. They're half a team right now.
The playoff teams have two shooters who can spread the floor, one or two players who can slash, and one or two defensive bigs. The Jazz have one shooter, one mediocre slasher, and one defensive big. They're half a team right now.
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The problem with Harris and Jefferson is that their games are the opposite of each other. Harris is more uptempo and Jefferson thrives in a half court set. I don't see them working well together. We need to pick an IDENTITY as a team and stick with it hoping that Corbin can make it work. Our team identity is just potential right now, which scares me to death.