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What is the Knock on Tyler Haws?

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Is he Jimmer 2.0? He scored more than Jimmer and seems to have held his own vs. Delly in the WCC. He has decent size for a 2 and appears to be a good shooter. Most draft boards don't even have him as a suspect.
 
The knock is that he is not very athletic as to NBA standards, and that he can't play NBA defense.
There is also concern he would have difficulty getting his mid range shot off against the length and quickness of NBA talent.

I've also heard he might have a chance if he could hit 40% from downtown. I think he can because he's always been fairly close to that clip, but that's not the point. I've heard the concerns.
 
Poor mans rip Hamilton? (Look at that, a comp of differing races)
 
My prediction:

He has a strong showing in summer league and he lands a ten day contract.(not on the Jazz roster) Actually I'm going to go one step further and try to pull out some srs oracle-yness. Charlotte signs him to a ten day contract and extends it.
 
Just out of curiosity, who is the last quality pro (e.g., rotation player) that BYU has produced?

There was the glory years that produced Danny Ainge, Fred Roberts and Greg Kite in the 70s-80s, then Michael Smith in the 90s, and finally Shawn Bradley, but has there been anyone else?

There have been a bunch of marginal or bust NBA players, e.g., Toolson, Durrant, Hansen, Arujo, Davies, and Jimmer.

BYU has done, overall, a very poor job of placing its players in the NBA. Why? I'm guessing it has something to do with the very shallow recruiting pool it has to draw on, particularly its inability to recruit African American players.

So, Haws has this working against him too. I'm guessing that BYU is just not viewed by NBA scouts and player personnel staff as a quality program that produces NBA caliber players.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Just out of curiosity, who is the last quality pro (e.g., rotation player) that BYU has produced?

There was the glory years that produced Danny Ainge, Fred Roberts and Greg Kite in the 70s-80s, then Michael Smith in the 90s, and finally Shawn Bradley, but has there been anyone else?

There have been a bunch of marginal or bust NBA players, e.g., Toolson, Durrant, Hansen, Arujo, Davies, and Jimmer.

BYU has done, overall, a very poor job of placing its players in the NBA. Why? I'm guessing it has something to do with the very shallow recruiting pool it has to draw on, particularly its inability to recruit African American players.

So, Haws has this working against him too. I'm guessing that BYU is just not viewed by NBA scouts and player personnel staff as a quality program that produces NBA caliber players.
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If they had landed Jabari Parker that would have helped with that.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Just out of curiosity, who is the last quality pro (e.g., rotation player) that BYU has produced?

There was the glory years that produced Danny Ainge, Fred Roberts and Greg Kite in the 70s-80s, then Michael Smith in the 90s, and finally Shawn Bradley, but has there been anyone else?

There have been a bunch of marginal or bust NBA players, e.g., Toolson, Durrant, Hansen, Arujo, Davies, and Jimmer.
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I think you hit on everyone. Travis Hansen was one I never understood. He had size and athletic ability. He was very good all around player who was an improving shooter.

Basically the key is BYU doesn't get many players who have NBA potential. That may change in the future with Mika and/or Corbin Kaufusi. Both players have NBA potential. Far down the road TJ Haws broke all of his other brother's records in high school and I would expect him to continue to out perform his older brother.

As for Tyler Haws pro prospects, I think his NBA appeal complete lies in his ability to become a killer shooter. He has enough size, scrappiness and smarts to scrap out a small role on defense.

There was a report that in Tyler Haws Phoenix work he broke some records for a endurance and speed drill.

But I think teams will have better options and he ends up in Europe.

BYU has done, overall, a very poor job of placing its players in the NBA. Why? I'm guessing it has something to do with the very shallow recruiting pool it has to draw on, particularly its inability to recruit African American players.

So, Haws has this working against him too. I'm guessing that BYU is just not viewed by NBA scouts and player personnel staff as a quality program that produces NBA caliber players.
 
Qman said:
I think you hit on everyone. Travis Hansen was one I never understood. He had size and athletic ability. He was very good all around player who was an improving shooter.

Basically the key is BYU doesn't get many players who have NBA potential. That may change in the future with Mika and/or Corbin Kaufusi. Both players have NBA potential. Far down the road TJ Haws broke all of his other brother's records in high school and I would expect him to continue to out perform his older brother.

As for Tyler Haws pro prospects, I think his NBA appeal complete lies in his ability to become a killer shooter. He has enough size, scrappiness and smarts to scrap out a small role on defense.

There was a report that in Tyler Haws Phoenix work he broke some records for a endurance and speed drill.

But I think teams will have better options and he ends up in Europe.

BYU has done, overall, a very poor job of placing its players in the NBA. Why? I'm guessing it has something to do with the very shallow recruiting pool it has to draw on, particularly its inability to recruit African American players.

So, Haws has this working against him too. I'm guessing that BYU is just not viewed by NBA scouts and player personnel staff as a quality program that produces NBA caliber players.
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I think you plagiarized little jimmy with the last few lines of your post.
 
I heard about this big white guy who was not very athletic but had a nice outside shot, kind of a stretch 4 or tall 3. Name's Larry Bird. He did alright from what I heard. But being an unathletic white guy he was probably really not all that good.
 
♪alt13 said:
My prediction:

He has a strong showing in summer league and he lands a ten day contract.(not on the Jazz roster) Actually I'm going to go one step further and try to pull out some srs oracle-yness. Charlotte signs him to a ten day contract and extends it.
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I doubt it. If he goes undrafted, he'll be one of those guys that gets like 4 minutes of PT here and there during the summer league. And seeing as he is not a ball dominant guy, doesn't really create for himself, he's not likely to do too much in that 4 minutes. He seems like one of those guys that needs to get the juices flown, find the rhythm of the game, then he's good to go. If he could by some miracle get drafted so a team feels obligated to give him a lot of PT, he could show out.

That said, I think he could play in the NBA easily. It cannot be overstated how amazing his mid-range game is. There has to be a coach out there that could find a way to use that. And The unathletic label is bollocks. He probably jumps mid 30's, can run around screens all day. I imagine he would've tested out at least at the average of SGs over the years if they had invited him to the combine. The defense, can he play against length, his range, and lack of ability to create his own shot are all legit concerns though. I think he will figure out the length thing regardless if it's in the NBA or Europe, probably will be fine with the longer 3 within a few years, not too sure if he can improve the rest.
 
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LogGrad98 said:
I heard about this big white guy who was not very athletic but had a nice outside shot, kind of a stretch 4 or tall 3. Name's Larry Bird. He did alright from what I heard. But being an unathletic white guy he was probably really not all that good.
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Are you drawing a comp between Haws and Bird? I don't see it but I'm not a Y fan and I only saw a few highlights all year, so maybe I'm missing something. Isn't Haws a lot smaller than Bird?
 
Missions often kill the draftability of BYU players. In a league where people bitch about the lack of "upside" for a college senior, adding on two more years certainly doesn't help. Haws has every bit of game that Steve Kerr had. Just that there isn't a "Steve Kerr slot" open every year.
 
I would definitely invest a late first or especially a second rounder on Kyle Collingsworth, though. . .
 
Biggest issues are very clear - not particularly athletic and not the size and length that most want for 2. If those were different, issues like age, mission, etc would be irrelevant. In today's NBA length and/or athleticism are critical at the wing. Jimmer's showing certainly has not helped. As much as the NBA needs shooters, there are plenty of shooters who don't make it. I think he has a shot but it will be all about finding the right fit.
 
He needs to pick the right situation and he has a chance. No way he's drafted though - He's just absolutely terrible on defense
 
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