What to do about free throws?

[SoberasHotRod]

The league's best players supplement their scores based on FTs. They aren't going to change it. Players appreciate it because it is basically a timeout and gives them a chance to recover.

I'd prefer to see a shorter half time, and require FT's to be taken faster. Perhaps have a 5 second timer start once the player receives the ball.

Good point on the time to recover part, I hadn't though of that.

 

[LogGrad98]

There is some times a lot of game time between dead balls.

Then they burn a time out to make a sub.

But what you are saying is exactly why this would reduce the number of fouls committed.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Then they burn a time out to make a sub.

But what you are saying is exactly why this would reduce the number of fouls committed.

I think it becomes too punitive at that point. I want players to be able to play defense and if there is that big of a deterrent then we won't see as good of defense.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The league's best players supplement their scores based on FTs. They aren't going to change it. Players appreciate it because it is basically a timeout and gives them a chance to recover.

I'd prefer to see a shorter half time, and require FT's to be taken faster. Perhaps have a 5 second timer start once the player receives the ball.

5 seconds would be insanely fast. They just need to get the stuff around the FT to happen faster (ie getting the ball to the player faster, making subs faster)

 

[SoberasHotRod]

5 seconds would be insanely fast. They just need to get the stuff around the FT to happen faster (ie getting the ball to the player faster, making subs faster)

Based on my fast forwarding it currently takes 40-70 seconds for both free throws.

 

[LogGrad98]

I think it becomes too punitive at that point. I want players to be able to play defense and if there is that big of a deterrent then we won't see as good of defense.

There are a million ways to implement a penalty-box situation. Don't get stuck in how one single off-the-top-of-my-head idea couldn't work. Make it just until the next dead ball, without any mandatory time in the penalty box. Make it the next out of bounds play after that one minute. Make it for 4 possessions then the next out of bounds play they sub in. Just make the team sub someone in and that particular player can't play for 2 minutes of game time. Allow the other team to pick a player to bench for one minute of game time with a sub during that time allowed. Tons of ways to implement something like this. This is the frustrating thing with Internet discussions, people get stuck on one single very very narrow line of thought without think outside that to see if something else similar might be worth discussing. Tons of posts to say "nuh-uh" with no real discussion.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Based on my fast forwarding it currently takes 40-70 seconds for both free throws.

Maybe stop allowing subs for FT's, or make all the subs happen at the front end. That way the player makes the bucket (or misses) and the refs gives them the ball right away for the 2nd FT

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

My main takeaways:

1. Allow more personal fouls before reaching bonus
2. Tell refs to call less fouls
3. Make the FT process quicker through shortening downtime where basically nothing is happening

 

[SoberasHotRod]

There are a million ways to implement a penalty-box situation. Don't get stuck in how one single off-the-top-of-my-head idea couldn't work. Make it just until the next dead ball, without any mandatory time in the penalty box. Make it the next out of bounds play after that one minute. Make it for 4 possessions then the next out of bounds play they sub in. Just make the team sub someone in and that particular player can't play for 2 minutes of game time. Allow the other team to pick a player to bench for one minute of game time with a sub during that time allowed. Tons of ways to implement something like this. This is the frustrating thing with Internet discussions, people get stuck on one single very very narrow line of thought without think outside that to see if something else similar might be worth discussing. Tons of posts to say "nuh-uh" with no real discussion.

I thought we were having a fluid discussion, so sorry if you felt like I was being narrow minded.

There is probably a way to make your idea work, but I was just communicating that I had a similar idea and where I got stuck is how do you sub them back in within a reasonable amount of time and without creating a lot of chaos. If you just let them in at an exact time then the teams would likely be in the middle of a possession and that would be chaotic. If you make sure it is during a dead ball, etc. then the amount of time would be varying. Possessions are fluid and could be tricky as well.

There could be a way to make it work, but in my limited amount of time thinking about it, it seems problematic.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

My main takeaways:

1. Allow more personal fouls before reaching bonus
2. Tell refs to call less fouls
3. Make the FT process quicker through shortening downtime where basically nothing is happening

This all would help. I would still like to see some league try something other than free throws though.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This all would help. I would still like to see some league try something other than free throws though.

Ehh, dont see that happening. FT's just make too much sense in the context of the game. I just dont think we should be using non-shooting fouls to shoot FT's. Maybe make going over the bonus something else (full shot clock reset, maybe choice of where you get to inbound the basketball), but a shooting foul should always results in FT's.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The G League shoots one free throw for 2 pts. That would cut some time down. Basketball is pretty fast paced so the free throws allows these guys to catch their breath a bit.

I think you leave it as is and just shrink the screen while they shoot to show some ads. Then shorten the timeout/ad time?

I don't see it as a big issue.