What's your explanation for early OKC success?

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Oh my god!! Ur whoa is me whining in this post is epic. Before Quin even coached one game... Quin said if u don't play good defense u won't get minutes on this team. Guess who played the least amount of defense and who was the weakest link on team defense. When I heard this I knew Kanter was in trouble. Fact of the matter Kanter was the third best big on this team. So, please tell me how Kanter was unfairly felt with those other guys playing over him were better and deserved to play ahead of that same delusional Kanter that thought he was worth Hayward money

Look, my point was not saying that Kanter shouldn't get benched.
My point was that he was almost the only guy got benched ALTHOUGH other players had a lot of bad games, too. This is purely unfair.
And also, no matter if Kanter was on fire or not, Snyder applied his rotations onto him whereas when other guys were on fire, he hold back with his rotations for that spot (I'm talking about substitutions). I watched carefully enough games to be able to say that.
Lately it became better but the first half of the season was not fair when we see it from Kanter's view.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Look, my point was not saying that Kanter shouldn't get benched.
My point was that he was almost the only guy got benched ALTHOUGH other players had a lot of bad games, too. This is purely unfair.
And also, no matter if Kanter was on fire or not, Snyder applied his rotations whereas when other guys were on fire, he hold back with his rotations for that spot. I watched carefully enough games to be able to say that.
Lately it became better but the first half of the season was not fair when we see it from Kanter's view.

He didn't get benched regardless of him putting up good games or not he got benched due to being the worst defensive big on the team. He also was known for putting up good numbers that didn't amount to helping the team win


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Nice post.

As an aside, I find it endlessly interesting the lengths some people go to, and the length of time they take, to write such detailed discussion board posts, all to win an argument with absolutely zero stakes involved. I include myself in this too, but I don't think I've ever gone to this length.

As a further aside, I also find it interesting that people who respond to posts made by others seem to expect those persons to have spent a butt load of time to construct and draft a detailed, carefully worded argument complete with citations, etc, as if we have nothing better to do.

In any case, sorry for the diversion. Carry on.

Thanks.
Well, the problem is, when you have an opinion which might disturb a lot of people, you are kind of forced to make some effort. That means most of the people would ignore you because they think your opinion is utterly bull****. So if you want to be taken seriously, this is the only way to get some attention. Not that I or someone needs attention, but if you want to discuss things, you need someone to discuss .

And when I put effort, than I expect the same. Else I see no reason to discuss further.

 

[JoelHodgeJr]

Its crazy how stubborn our fan base is when it comes to there player preferences. Kanter is a good player and was mishandled by our team. Hell he begged for three years to be allowed to shot 3s and when he did hes successful. Everyone said he couldnt pass.... I saw some pretty awesome fullcourt outlet passes last night that. Everyone said his D was awful, brought the whole team down.... I saw solid team and personal d.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Its crazy how stubborn our fan base is when it comes to there player preferences. Kanter is a good player and was mishandled by our team. Hell he begged for three years to be allowed to shot 3s and when he did hes successful. Everyone said he couldnt pass.... I saw some pretty awesome fullcourt outlet passes last night that. Everyone said his D was awful, brought the whole team down.... I saw solid team and personal d.

Kanter sucks

 

[zbone]

Just want to say a few words about this.

The problem was, first 2 years of his career Utah focused on Big Al and Millsap. I'm not saying Kanter should have been the starter nor the main focus. But he was completely ignored for 2 years. His development was the last thing it seemed.
But the worst thing here is: why? For what did Utah focus on Big Al and Millsap? Can you tell me the big important reason behind this decision? What was so much more important than developing your 3rd pick?
Let's say there was a reason. Alright, I'm fine with it.

Now tell me why did Utah let them walk away then? If there was a reason that their roles were more important instead of Kanter's role, why the hell you let BOTH of them go away then? If you were going to let them walk away for nothing, why didn't you use the years before in developing Kanter, so he can start after they go?


Now, what about the third year. Let's say there was a reason for the first 2 years. Alright, fine. But now Al and Millsap are gone.
What about this 3rd year. What is now the reason for not developing him? There was no Gobert.
Why did he only start in 37 games that year? Explain me. Was Utah going for a playoff seed? Utah was last in Western that year.
Again Kanter got fooled for NOTHING. 3 years wasted.


Now finally 4th year. Starting. 27 minutes average looks fine.
But look closer.
I watched nearly all Jazz games this year.
Tell me who was the first guy ALWAYS switched with another player? No matter what happened?
Tell me how often Snyder benched Kanter for every mistake he did. It is ok if a coach benchs a player if he sucks for that game. But it is UNFAIR if he does this only to one player regularly and never to others. There were a lot of games were the other players sucked and he kept them playing no matter. Specially in the 4th quarter.

And in addition to his.
Kanter was always the 5th option in the offence. Almost no existent runs made for him. The only runs for this center were those open jumpers he had to take. A center taking a lot of jumpers.
And this is in my opinion the reason why he had almost no assists in games or he was so egoistic. Because the only way to put his wished numbers was to be selfish, else he would have averaged sth like 7 points a game. Because he was ignored, he went on selfish mode.

And the last reason is Gobert. It is awesome that Jazz has Gobert. But it isn't awesome for Kanter. Because finally, where he is the starter now and gets time for his development, now someone else is rising and threatening his position. And slowly it began again. All people wanted Gobert start instead of Kanter and Snyder showed some signs that this will maybe the future.

See it from his view. 3 year you got fooled and now another year. It was too much and he asked for a trade. Better for him and for Gobert.

I agree with your post but bold part is a complete and utter ********. Kanter had at least 2 plays run each quarter for him to get low post position on the right. At least. In addition, once or twice per game he had a 3pt opportunity until February and his regular mid-range jumpers always were there but you can argue those were not designated plays, fine.
All in all, Kanter had very little to complain under Snyder, bar having Booker playing probably too much ahead of Enes when it mattered. Having him Corbin induced trauma he very well could have overreacted in his contract year seeing Gobert emergence and lack of commitment by the Jazz with Booker playing significant minutes for 4th big.

 

[zbone]

Oh my god!! Ur whoa is me whining in this post is epic. Before Quin even coached one game... Quin said if u don't play good defense u won't get minutes on this team. Guess who played the least amount of defense and who was the weakest link on team defense.

Burke?

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Burke?

T about Burke??


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I agree with your post but bold part is a complete and utter ********. Kanter had at least 2 plays run each quarter for him to get low post position on the right. At least. In addition, once or twice per game he had a 3pt opportunity until February and his regular mid-range jumpers always were there but you can argue those were not designated plays, fine.

Do you mean those post-ups, where he had to go for a sky hook, a jumper or a an up and under?
They are not designated plays either. Most of the time Gordon dribbled for 5-10 seconds and gave Enes the ball. Like "here is the ball and create your own shot". And then he got double teamed or he travelled or forced a shot or he made it. The only runs were made for him when someone penetrated, so he is open and got a jumper. Of course here and then there may be other runs, but I talk about runs which made regularly for him.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Burke?

think Burke was the exception due to the lack of a real viable alternative.

 

[Diamond77]

And in addition to his.
Kanter was always the 5th option in the offence. Almost no existent runs made for him. The only runs for this center were those open jumpers he had to take. A center taking a lot of jumpers.
And this is in my opinion the reason why he had almost no assists in games or he was so egoistic. Because the only way to put his wished numbers was to be selfish, else he would have averaged sth like 7 points a game. Because he was ignored, he went on selfish mode.

Amazing post. I made the same hypothesis why he wasn't passing the ball. The only way to produce points was to be selfish. He was very often alone in low post but his teammates often ignored him. In addition passing the ball to players like Burke, Exum, Elijah Millsap, Ingles and so on is not like putting money in the bank.

I think Kanter considerd himself the 1st or 2nd offensive option with the current Jazz but Snyder decided other offensive hierarchys. Anyway when a team does not have playoff ambition, the individual offensive numbers become primary.

 

[zbone]

Do you mean those post-ups, where he had to go for a sky hook, a jumper or a an up and under?
They are not designated plays either. Most of the time Gordon dribbled for 5-10 seconds and gave Enes the ball. Like "here is the ball and create your own shot". And then he got double teamed or he travelled or forced a shot or he made it. The only runs were made for him when someone penetrated, so he is open and got a jumper. Of course here and then there may be other runs, but I talk about runs which made regularly for him.

No, I mean when Kanter gets the ball deep in the post with his back to the basket and perimeter players all shifting to the strong side. He then goes for a spin move or up and under. Those plays are run for him even if after a broken another play, they are still designated plays for Kanter.