What's your explanation for early OKC success?

[The Blue Elephant]

“@KOCOKeating: Enes Kanter, leaving the building, just shook the hand of every single arena worker on his way out.” Match made in heaven?

 

[stitches]

Valid points all. I pick option 3. I liked Kanter and I thought he was a good player. I would never have traded him for nothing. I would have said to Kanter we aren't trading you unless we get equal value. We haven't so we are keeping you. In the off season Kanter would go looking for max money. He would not have gotten it. When reality finally sunk in that he is not the best player in a generation, his agent would have to look to accept a four year 10 million per or sign the one year tender. Both give the Jazz more time to find equal value if they decided not to keep him.

I liked his offensive game too. He's a talent with rare combination and versatility of offensive skills. I truly believe he will be a 20/10 player at some point in his career. I just didn't really like the match for what our coach is trying to do. Pretty much everything the system relies on, he's bad at - quick reads and decisions, passing, ball movement... His fit with the OKC is great and their system is much more simple and suits his skillset.

I just don't think that he would have accepted what seemed like a bench role on our roster in the long term. And if he was unhappy with 28MPG as a starter, imagine how he would have taken 22 minutes off the bench... The thing with those big offers RFAs get in free agency is that the teams that offer them try to poison the offers with horrible things like player options, like trade kickers, like front-loading, etc. So the contract becomes even more untradeable, unless he has a monster jump(in which case you won't really want to trade him). 12M becomes 14M, 16M becomes 18.5M... So to me matching the offer makes sense only if you really want him long-term... and doesn't make much sense if you want to sign him in order to trade later.

 

[gregbroncs]

Sorry Gregbroncs, I thought you were calling me a troll and I took offense. I love the Jazz and even when they do things that I hate and strongly disagree with I am still a fan and always will be.

No problem. It happens. I have no problem with you. We disagree here it happens.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

First I would never have traded Kanter for what OKC offered. I would have kept him and in the off season I would have either re-signed him or let him sign the one year tender.

You give me fact supporting your theory that Kanter was bad for team chemistry. By all accounts his teammates liked him. People theorize that he was a bad teammate to justify the bad trade.

Yes I value wins. We would get better as the team gets older and grows together. If we could get a decent point, our wins would sky rocket.

Kanter's defense while not great was improving. Do you get rid of Gobert because he has bad hands and can only dunk. No you work with the guy. By the way Gobert is 22 as well.

I have watched almost every game Kanter ever played for the Jazz because I watch every Jazz game I can.

And that my friend makes your point null n void.

 

[gregbroncs]

I don't think anyone is ok with the value we received, but it is what it is. you can cry about it all you want.

I have defended the trade. I think they did well for the situation they were in. But yes the value seems low straight up, it's what happens when the rest of the league knows you really need to unload a malcontent. I think the gain made in not having to deal with him and the chance that him staying would frustrate Gobert made the trade worth it.

 

[CAKAR]

Kanter could not started better for OKC... His first two games after All-Star Break...

15 Points, 12.5 Rebounds, 2.5 Assits, 6FTA, 22 Plus/Minus... in 30 minutes per game.

If he can keep up he will be a starting center for a contender

 

[Fishsticks]

Kanter could not started better for OKC... His first two games after All-Star Break...

15 Points, 12.5 Rebounds, 2.5 Assits, 6FTA, 22 Plus/Minus...

If he can keep up he will be a starting center for a contender

Ok...Thanks for sharing.

 

[The Blue Elephant]

Kanter could not started better for OKC... His first two games after All-Star Break...

15 Points, 12.5 Rebounds, 2.5 Assits, 6FTA, 22 Plus/Minus... in 30 minutes per game.

If he can keep up he will be a starting center for a contender

This has nothing to do with your post.

Are you really quoting yourself in your signature?

 

[oldtimer]

And that my friend makes your point null n void.

Signing the one year tender does not make my point null n void. It is one of the possibilities that would have been available and even if he would have signed the tender (and I believe that was a real possibility if he didn't get a contract for more than 10million per) the Jazz still had the ability to re-sign him as a free agent. And if his game exploded then the Jazz could have offered him more money than anyone.

 

[CAKAR]

This has nothing to do with your post.

Are you really quoting yourself in your signature?

Yes I do...

 

[Hotdog]

Remember when Boozer left and Jefferson left, and they led their teams to championships?

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Why can't the Kanter trade be a win-win?

Kanter clearly was the odd man out in the Jazz system. We may well be better off in the long-run without him. We have our center of the future. We have our power forward of the future. We have our small forward of the future. We may have our PG of the future. Now we need to add some more pieces, particularly where we are lacking. Signing Kanter to what he would have demanded, or matching an offer sheet that hamstrung us financially, would not have been in our best interest. We are now free to build the team we want.

Meanwhile, Kanter may well be a missing piece in OKC's championship quest. Good for him, good for them. Both teams can be better off as a result of this trade. I'd rather be better off, even if it made OKC better, than to be worse off, regardless of how it affected OKC or any other team.

I still think we got too little in exchange for Kanter, particularly since it seems that OKC thought highly enough of him to insert him immediately into its starting line up and give him big minutes. I am skeptical that we could not have gotten more out of OKC than we did.