When Should the Jazz Stop Tanking?

[Park Bites]

Ok I will have to wax philisophical. There are different types of "Tanking" The blatant tanking the Jazz did last year. sitting healthy players and playing young guys throwing games all that awful stuff. I hated last year. I loved getting Ace Then there is the orgagnic tanking more of what the jazz did this year where they trade off the vets to play the younger guys but are still trying to win. I can tolerate this kind of tanking if it will bring us the players that we need. There is also just losing because your players are young and you are developing those players but development is the key.

There is also the option of being able to trade for the right person to turn you program around. Imagine if the Jazz had made that trade for Doncic. Not saying the would have got him but just saying. If the right player comes along you have to be ready to pounce and make the most of it. Lets say Minny goes down the crapper and they realize they can not compete and Edwards became available? Or Tatum or Brown? top 10 pieces that you can build a chapmionship around with out destroying your depth. (That is the key)

I do not think we have an answer yet I am loving what I see with this team but with out Kessler Jazz are just going to be awful defensively. This year is in the crapper no matter what. I want to see more development from George and the young guys. Let they prove they are the future. Lets make this and Organic tank get our player and in 3 to 5 years be a contender. Hope that the right person becomes available to make that move. You might be able to steal some of the players in OKC because they cant pay everyone.

 

[slc]

I am all for trying to get that pick back from OKC
Even a 9-14 lottery pick will get Jazz another young player
But what would OKC take? Offer them a choice of one of Jazz young players?
Who is expendable?
Williams, Collier, Flip, Hendricks, Brice, Kessler, etc?
Not Ace, not George, not Clayton etc.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I have to admit I'm surprised by the results. I figured a large portion of the board would vote for next year, but didn't think it would be the overwhelming majority. I guess it's the vocal minority that makes a lot of noise about tanking until we draft a superstar.

I suppose the tank has worn a lot of us down to the point where we started out hoping for an MVP level talent, but now we're just ready for it to be over

The issue just keeps coming back to the original sin: we needed to actually, seriously tank for multiple seasons but only have done it once. But since we did half-*** tanking we got none of the benefit for basically the same amount of pain of non-stop tanking.

 

[fishonjazz]

There is also the option of being able to trade for the right person to turn you program around. Imagine if the Jazz had made that trade for Doncic. Not saying the would have got him but just saying. If the right player comes along you have to be ready to pounce and make the most of it. Lets say Minny goes down the crapper and they realize they can not compete and Edwards became available? Or Tatum or Brown? top 10 pieces that you can build a chapmionship around with out destroying your depth. (That is the key)

Tanking kind of helps with this imo. Usually a team trading that caliber of player is giving up and starting over (otherwise why trade an mvp level player while they are in their prime) and want young high potential players and good draft picks. Which tanking teams often have.

 

[fishonjazz]

I am all for trying to get that pick back from OKC
Even a 9-14 lottery pick will get Jazz another young player
But what would OKC take? Offer them a choice of one of Jazz young players?
Who is expendable?
Williams, Collier, Flip, Hendricks, Brice, Kessler, etc?
Not Ace, not George, not Clayton etc.

Eh, after the kessler injury and trading away collins and sexton there probably is no need to give anything to okc to keep the pick. We can probably just keep it because we are not good enough to lose it at this point. If kessler was still healthy then I would want the jazz to explore this more.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The issue just keeps coming back to the original sin: we needed to actually, seriously tank for multiple seasons but only have done it once. But since we did half-*** tanking we got none of the benefit for basically the same amount of pain of non-stop tanking.

The way the Jazz should’ve played it out with mostly foresight but a little hindsight:
*‘22-‘23 they should’ve gutted the team by the start of the regular season and taken whatever swaps and 2nds they could get from the Lakers for Bogey, Beasley, Vando, Pat, and/or Clarkson (maybe even Snyder?) and tanked their absolute asses off.
*’23-‘24 they should’ve thrown serious offer sheets for Reeves (“max”) and Naz Reid then played it straight, get in the play-in, and convey the pick to OKC.
*’24-‘25 trade all the ****ing vets - Lauri, Reeves, Naz, whatever other vet(s), maybe Walker - and tank again.

They’d be coming into this season with at least a Thompson (if not Wemby), almost certainly significantly improved picks from the Wolves, a top-5 pick from last year, much improved draft asset portfolio, and even better position for a high draft pick this year even if they were trying in earnest to win (they’d have a type of super-swap and the Wolves would probably be closer to collapse than they are now).

 

[Park Bites]

Eh, after the kessler injury and trading away collins and sexton there probably is no need to give anything to okc to keep the pick. We can probably just keep it because we are not good enough to lose it at this point. If kessler was still healthy then I would want the jazz to explore this more.

I concur and wonder if the Jazz hinted at him getting the surgery, as apparently he has suffered with this since college. Keep the organic tank alive. I would like to see more of Cody I still think he will be a serviceable player. I am surprised Sensabaugh is not getting a lot of playing time.

I know a lot of you are Svi fans, persoanlly, I cant stand him. I would rather see Sensabaugh. Kyle Anderson should never see the floor also. Let the young guys learn and play. You learn very little getting splinters in your backside.

 

[hgb]

I am all for trying to get that pick back from OKC
Even a 9-14 lottery pick will get Jazz another young player
But what would OKC take? Offer them a choice of one of Jazz young players?
Who is expendable?
Williams, Collier, Flip, Hendricks, Brice, Kessler, etc?
Not Ace, not George, not Clayton etc.

I was all for trading for the pick before the injury, but now it doesn't look great for winning games even if they tried real hard. Don't think it's worth it now (I'd give up Brice, maybe Collier, though, not the others).

 

[default]

I want to say after this season, but only if Bailey shows a lot more than he has so far in limited minutes and if we get one of Peterson, Dybantsa, or Boozer in the draft. Otherwise we need to continue until we get a young star in the making from the draft.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

A more interesting question is when the Jazz should start pushing chips in to compete, or at least consolidating what's on the roster to stronger players. But maybe you already made that poll question cuz you've made a lot of them.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

A more interesting question is when the Jazz should start pushing chips in to compete, or at least consolidating what's on the roster to stronger players. But maybe you already made that poll question cuz you've made a lot of them.

Lol, I've lost track.

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

A more interesting question is when the Jazz should start pushing chips in to compete, or at least consolidating what's on the roster to stronger players. But maybe you already made that poll question cuz you've made a lot of them.

I mean, the current trade values on the team are like

Lauri: 2 to 3 firsts plus an expiring, unclear quality of picks
Keyonte: One top 10 pick
Ace: One top 10 pick
Kessler: Extremely difficult to trade right now
Walter Clayton Jr: One late first
Kyle Filipowski: One late first
Taylor Hendricks: Early to mid second
Cody Williams: Early to mid second
Isaiah Collier: Early to mid second
Brice Sensabaugh: Mid to late second
Rest of roster: Nothing

I'm not sure what we can consolidate for real players?