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Where Does Hood End Up?

Where Does Hood End Up?

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Jack Strop said:
@Saint Cy
Five draft picks wasted to end up with Ricky Rubio as the PG.
I said "generally" and to further qualify that, I said we could have acquired everyone bu Exum with Utah's existing picks, not any that were acquired through the tank. Utah could have still made the playoffs (by signing decent FA's) and had picks in the 20's for Hood and Gobert.

Notice I also said "in-season" trades. The trade for the pick that became Mitchell was not "in-season." Maybe more careful reading before posting. To date, the ONLY in-season trade has been acquiring Mack and getting No-Neck, Pleiss and assorted junk for Kanter.

I expect and HOPE DL will make some significant moves. But his track record shows he's more concerned with having a ton of cap space for free agency - and then not using any of it, except for players he finds at the Dollar Store.
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Didn't read anything you said cuz DL drafted Rudy and Donovan so if your take isn't DL is an upper tier user of first round picks then your take is doodoo.
 
Yes, I'll give him Gobert and now Mitchell.
But if you credit him for successes, you have to also acknowledge his failures: Burke, Lyles, wasted lottery pick on Hill (by not having him agree to an extension as terms of the trade), Exum (still TBD), no significant rotation players later in the draft. No "gems" for bringing in nearly 100 players every summer for workouts. Good gawd, you'd expect Idaho/SLC to be able to field a decent squad with that level of player analysis. Instead, they been the WORST D/G League team since Lindsey has been GM.

And losing Hayward for nothing. He alienated him with his culture of losing, further adding to the disrespect Hayward felt during his restricted free agency. Now the RFA was on KOC, but creating a playoff team was on Lindsey. He purposely let Utah lose by not signing free agents (Utah was around 28th in payroll for 3 yrs running, IINM). Despite his mantra of "don't skip steps," he really did. Jazz were never bad enough to have top draft picks, except for one year. If you do a rebuild, do it right! Reportedly, Hayward asked for a trade last summer. Instead of getting nothing, could Utah have gotten anywhere near what Indiana did for George?

Again, I'm hoping DL will make some significant trades. I'm just saying his track record is to hesitate because he dislikes the risks and then he covers his tracks by saying the cost was too high, or they explored all the options and liked their own guys better.

So I won't be surprised if nothing happens.
 
I'll take the field. He could really end up almost anywhere. His contract is easily absorbed by any team in the league and he'll have some appeal to both playoff contenders and bad teams just looking to acquire young talent. It just depends on who gives us the best offer.
 
Jack Strop said:
Yes, I'll give him Gobert and now Mitchell.
But if you credit him for successes, you have to also acknowledge his failures: Burke, Lyles, wasted lottery pick on Hill (by not having him agree to an extension as terms of the trade), Exum (still TBD), no significant rotation players later in the draft. No "gems" for bringing in nearly 100 players every summer for workouts. Good gawd, you'd expect Idaho/SLC to be able to field a decent squad with that level of player analysis. Instead, they been the WORST D/G League team since Lindsey has been GM.

And losing Hayward for nothing. He alienated him with his culture of losing, further adding to the disrespect Hayward felt during his restricted free agency. Now the RFA was on KOC, but creating a playoff team was on Lindsey. He purposely let Utah lose by not signing free agents (Utah was around 28th in payroll for 3 yrs running, IINM). Despite his mantra of "don't skip steps," he really did. Jazz were never bad enough to have top draft picks, except for one year. If you do a rebuild, do it right! Reportedly, Hayward asked for a trade last summer. Instead of getting nothing, could Utah have gotten anywhere near what Indiana did for George?

Again, I'm hoping DL will make some significant trades. I'm just saying his track record is to hesitate because he dislikes the risks and then he covers his tracks by saying the cost was too high, or they explored all the options and liked their own guys better.

So I won't be surprised if nothing happens.
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culture of losing ?? You mean a team that went from winning 23 games to 38 to 42 to 51 ?? That kind of culture of losing ?? k
And it was clear that Hayward didn't ask for a trade, in fact threw a little hissy fit demanding to know whether the Jazz were trying to trade him. DL did everything to try to build a perennial 55 win team and was duped by a duplicitous ungrateful sociopathic two faced ****.
 
Jack Strop said:
Yes, I'll give him Gobert and now Mitchell.
But if you credit him for successes, you have to also acknowledge his failures: Burke, Lyles, wasted lottery pick on Hill (by not having him agree to an extension as terms of the trade), Exum (still TBD), no significant rotation players later in the draft. No "gems" for bringing in nearly 100 players every summer for workouts. Good gawd, you'd expect Idaho/SLC to be able to field a decent squad with that level of player analysis. Instead, they been the WORST D/G League team since Lindsey has been GM.

And losing Hayward for nothing. He alienated him with his culture of losing, further adding to the disrespect Hayward felt during his restricted free agency. Now the RFA was on KOC, but creating a playoff team was on Lindsey. He purposely let Utah lose by not signing free agents (Utah was around 28th in payroll for 3 yrs running, IINM). Despite his mantra of "don't skip steps," he really did. Jazz were never bad enough to have top draft picks, except for one year. If you do a rebuild, do it right! Reportedly, Hayward asked for a trade last summer. Instead of getting nothing, could Utah have gotten anywhere near what Indiana did for George?

Again, I'm hoping DL will make some significant trades. I'm just saying his track record is to hesitate because he dislikes the risks and then he covers his tracks by saying the cost was too high, or they explored all the options and liked their own guys better.

So I won't be surprised if nothing happens.
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Do you have a source for Haywood's trade request? Is it Geltzeiler? No reputable sportswriter confirmed the report. On the contrary, it was refuted quickly.

Bringing Hill was a good move at the time. We were all in for a deep run in the playoffs. It's not DL fault Hill didn't resign with us. Remember, the Jazz offered a very generous extension, 20M more than what Sac ended up paying. Given Hill's poor play this season maybe fans would kill DL if he had resigned.

Last year offseason was excellent, bringing veterans to complement and up and coming team. But I do have some criticism: not making those moves a year earlier under the excuse of 'not skipping steps'. Phrases like '"Alec Burks is our biggest free agent" makes me cringe. 2015-2016 was a lost year by all accounts: no internal growth from young players, no playoffs, crappy pick. Other mistakes were extending Tibor (and later using a 2nd to get rid of his contract) and in hindsight trading for Rubio. Regarding Bricky, I understand the move since we wanted to have a pg before contract negotiations with GH began (and it was reported GH really liked Rubio)...those are the type of short-term moves to keep happy your star that will later haunt you.

Anyway, the successes out-weight the negatives. DL has moved quickly to correct some of his mistakes plus he has been able to acquire two franchise players without really tanking: remaining competitive while getting top talent is some of the hardest things to accomplish by a GM. Avoiding monstrous contracts is a positive too. The Jazz will spend as long as the player is a difference maker, which is why they have decided to move from Hood. I do expect a move (s) to happen this trade deadline. DL track record shouldn't be used to predict his future moves.
 
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Jack Strop said:
Yes, I'll give him Gobert and now Mitchell.
But if you credit him for successes, you have to also acknowledge his failures: Burke, Lyles, wasted lottery pick on Hill (by not having him agree to an extension as terms of the trade), Exum (still TBD), no significant rotation players later in the draft. No "gems" for bringing in nearly 100 players every summer for workouts. Good gawd, you'd expect Idaho/SLC to be able to field a decent squad with that level of player analysis. Instead, they been the WORST D/G League team since Lindsey has been GM.
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I'll give you Burke as a fail (though the 2nd round pick we got is years away). That Lyles pick turned into DM, and who from that terrible 2016 draft class should drafted instead of trying to contend w/ Hill? I'd say Hood is a significant rotation player, but he's better off the bench than what we've wanted him to be. I'd also consider Ingles a "gem", but how many un-drafted players who get signed from workouts are anything more than to fill out rosters?

Seriously, not many GM's out there have struck gold without having been some of the worst teams for years. Even then it doesn't always pan out for the teams that do hit the jack pot. I think OKC got lucky and struck gold with drafting, but that didn't pan out and I bet they are going to be back in the lottery in a few years.
 
Cleveland has two first round picks.
Atlanta and Phoenix have three.

When all is said and done, I bet Lindsey has one of them.
 
trading Hood for a late first doesn't make sense... unless the Jazz feel confident Hood is going to get a tim hardaway type offer this summer. I imagine we'd want actual players rather than draft compensation
 
Jack Strop said:
Yes, I'll give him Gobert and now Mitchell.
But if you credit him for successes, you have to also acknowledge his failures: Burke, Lyles, wasted lottery pick on Hill (by not having him agree to an extension as terms of the trade), Exum (still TBD), no significant rotation players later in the draft. No "gems" for bringing in nearly 100 players every summer for workouts. Good gawd, you'd expect Idaho/SLC to be able to field a decent squad with that level of player analysis. Instead, they been the WORST D/G League team since Lindsey has been GM.

And losing Hayward for nothing. He alienated him with his culture of losing, further adding to the disrespect Hayward felt during his restricted free agency. Now the RFA was on KOC, but creating a playoff team was on Lindsey. He purposely let Utah lose by not signing free agents (Utah was around 28th in payroll for 3 yrs running, IINM). Despite his mantra of "don't skip steps," he really did. Jazz were never bad enough to have top draft picks, except for one year. If you do a rebuild, do it right! Reportedly, Hayward asked for a trade last summer. Instead of getting nothing, could Utah have gotten anywhere near what Indiana did for George?

Again, I'm hoping DL will make some significant trades. I'm just saying his track record is to hesitate because he dislikes the risks and then he covers his tracks by saying the cost was too high, or they explored all the options and liked their own guys better.

So I won't be surprised if nothing happens.
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Lmao are you really bringing up a team's G-League record as a mark against DL?

Are you daft? The G-League isnt about winning to DL bruh.
 
mellow said:
Cleveland has two first round picks.
Atlanta and Phoenix have three.

When all is said and done, I bet Lindsey has one of them.
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Cleveland maybe, but ATL and PHX are going nowhere and won’t part with a pick for an expiring.
 
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