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Where does Utah fit in the West?

silesian said:
Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb, two firsts and a second for Harden

Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton, Aaron McKie, rights to Marc Gasol, two firsts for Pau Gasol

Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, and two firsts for Garnett

Delonte West, Wally Szczerbiak and Jeff Green for Ray Allen
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Not to mention the deals for Deron Williams and Melo.

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silesian said:
Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb, two firsts and a second for Harden

Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton, Aaron McKie, rights to Marc Gasol, two firsts for Pau Gasol

Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, and two firsts for Garnett

Delonte West, Wally Szczerbiak and Jeff Green for Ray Allen
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Every single one of those teams giving up a star got screwed making that trade. I still think prime Paul >>> Marc. Also, a trade like this hasn't happened in four years since the age of advanced stats.
 
framer said:
A few things:

I love when people say that "Favors or Haywood are no stars" then say that we need to trade them for stars. That isn't the way the NBA works.

The only thing you can trade for a star is a Number 1 draft pick in a GOOD year. Boston isn't trading a #1 pick for anything other than a marketable star.

Booker better be our CLEAR #4 big next year, either by a vastly improved Lyles, or an acquisition.

The point guard situation was a complete mess, and will likely continue to be a mess for the first part of next season. If things start out too slow with Exum, we can no longer dink around with the our third and fourth options. They must be consolidated into a solid vet, preferably better than Mack.

We need an instant offense guy that can step in and just fill up the basket. He will likely not play a lick of D, but he won't be guaranteed a regular rotation spot. Those guys can be had.

The Jazz need to make a clean break with picking up D League players this year. That ship has sailed.
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How much more solid a vet than Mack do you think it's going be easy to get ?
 
spycam1 said:
In the event that Boston wins the lottery, would you do this trade? Other pieces would have to be involved to make salaries work (and to sweeten the deal for whatever team feels they're being slighted), but this would be the core of the trade.

Boston acquires:

-DeMarcus Cousins
-Gordon Hayward

Sacramento acquires:

-Their choice of Derrick Favors/Rudy Gobert
-#17 pick in 2016
-#23 pick in 2016

Utah acquires:

-#1 pick in 2016 (Ben Simmons)
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Just looking at the last 18 years-worth of #1 picks:

Superstar:

KAT (likely)
Anthony Davis
Dwight Howard
LeBron James

Star:

Derrick Rose
Blake Griffin
John Wall
Kyrie Irving
Andrew Wiggins (likely)
Yao Ming

Decent:

Andrew Bogut
Kenyon Martin
Elton Brand

Bust:

Andrea Bargnani
Greg Oden
Anthony Bennett
Kwame Brown
Michael Olowokandi

That's tough. If you get a superstar it's obviously worth it. You could also live with the trade if it nets you one of the upper-echelon stars. Anything in the decent or bust category would be a complete disaster.
 
King Cy said:
Elton Brand was a star tho

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Yeah he made the all-star game once as a reserve, but I wasn't necessarily trying to group them based on who made the all-star game. I was trying to group them into tiers, and he's not really in the same conversation as the other guys.
 
KD's Framily said:
Yeah he made the all-star game once as a reserve, but I wasn't necessarily trying to group them based on who made the all-star game. I was trying to group them into tiers, and he's not really in the same conversation as the other guys.
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Yeah he was. He was just on the Clippers.

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