Where does Utah fit in the West?

[akirac73]

David Locke brought up a valid point tonight that I will get to in a minute. Right now, in the West, teams and their stars shake out like this:

GS: Curry, Thompson, Green (as good as Curry is, and he is great, having three stars vs every one else's two puts GS on another level)
SA: Leonard, Aldrich
OKC: Westbrook, Durant
LAC: Paul, Griffin
Portland: Lillard
Houston: Howard, Harden
Kings: Cousins
Pelicans: Davis
Timberwolves: Towns

There are NINE teams that have legit stars on their teams. We don't have one.

And no. Hayward isn't on the level of any of the players above.

This is why I don't foresee Hayward ever becoming an All-Star (playing in the west, at least). Pretty much every player you listed should be a "lock" for the all-star team except for Dwight Howard and KAT (although he likely won't remain in this category for too long), and that leaves us with 13 players fighting for 12 roster spots. Someone better than Hayward is gonna get snubbed. And we haven't even brought up "second tier" players like Gasol, Conley, Wiggins, Gallinari, McCollum, Notwitzki, Jordan, etc. that Hayward would have to beat out to make the roster if there were an injury (or injuries) to any of the shoe-in players.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Kevin love is not a star lol

 

[♪alt13]

I know I Know Defense Defense Defense but...

Love for Favors is the kind of trade that should happen. Both teams would be better.

Exum
Hood
Hayward
Love
Gobert

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I feel like we fit somewhere between Nevada and Colorado, and maybe a little south of Idaho.

Isn't it bizarre how the space left between Arizona, Nevada, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado (and sort of New Mexico) leaves a perfectly shaped space for Utah to fit? What would have happened if any of them had been a different shape?

 

[FalseFlagg K]

I know I Know Defense Defense Defense but...

Love for Favors is the kind of trade that should happen. Both teams would be better.

Exum
Hood
Hayward
Love
Gobert

Offensively i think that team would kill it. Although if we're wanting a 6-10 shooter who's a little lame defensively at the 4 haven't we now got Lyles for that ?

 

[♪alt13]

Offensively i think that team would kill it. Although if we're wanting a 6-10 shooter who's a little lame defensively at the 4 haven't we now got Lyles for that ?

Lyles does not equal Love

I actually think that with all that length(especially Exum & Gobert) we would be well equipped to hide Love's defensive shortcomings. Love may even look like a fairly decent defender given that his role would be smaller than it would be on almost any other team. Remember people criticized the hell out of Dirk's D and that dude has a ring. Either way I think that Love would more than make up for the difference on the other end of the floor.

 

[♪alt13]

Isn't it bizarre how the space left between Arizona, Nevada, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado (and sort of New Mexico) leaves a perfectly shaped space for Utah to fit? What would have happened if any of them had been a different shape?

yes so long as their borders with Utah remained the same.

 

[fishonjazz]

I know I Know Defense Defense Defense but...

Love for Favors is the kind of trade that should happen. Both teams would be better.

Exum
Hood
Hayward
Love
Gobert

Green suggested favors, burke, Burks, and our draft pick for love.... Not favors for love.

Lyles does not equal Love.

He might soon

Offensively i think that team would kill it. Although if we're wanting a 6-10 shooter who's a little lame defensively at the 4 haven't we now got Lyles for that ?

Good point.

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[fishonjazz]

I agree with the OP as far as trying like hell to get a star. I disagree with the OP about love being a star though.

I also agree with thee jazz fan. The jazz have a lot of good things going on with the current team, but I think the current teams ceiling is the raptors or hawks. And that's not necessarily a bad thing if you like making the playoffs and occasionally advancing in the playoffs (I like those things) but if you want to actually be considered to be a contender then your best player needs to be better than Hayward, derozan, or millsap.

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[Thee Jazz Fan]

I know I Know Defense Defense Defense but...

Love for Favors is the kind of trade that should happen. Both teams would be better.

Exum
Hood
Hayward
Love
Gobert

Other then the rebounding, I think Lyles in a year or three could be better offensively, and I think a rotation of favors Lyles>Love Lyles. I have zero interest in Love. Favors Lyles gives this team more versatility.

I agree with the OP as far as trying like hell to get a star. I disagree with the OP about love being a star though.

I also agree with thee jazz fan. The jazz have a lot of good things going on with the current team, but I think the current teams ceiling is the raptors or hawks. And that's not necessarily a bad thing if you like making the playoffs and occasionally advancing in the playoffs (I like those things) but if you want to actually be considered to be a contender then your best player needs to be better than Hayward, derozan, or millsap.

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I feel we are in far better shape then the raptors and Hawks. Both teams are finished products. There is still hope we have a star or two.

 

[fishonjazz]

I feel we are in far better shape then the raptors and Hawks. Both teams are finished products. There is still hope we have a star or two.

Those two teams are loaded. Compare their rosters to ours position by position. They are better than us. We do have potential to improve but one of our young unfinished guys has to be a true star level player for us to really ever be a notch above the hawks and raptors.

Who will be that star for us? I used to think Burks or favors could be. I don't think so anymore.
So much rides on exum being a superstar talent.


I agree with you about lyles vs love though

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Those two teams are loaded. Compare their rosters to ours position by position. They are better than us. We do have potential to improve but one of our young unfinished guys has to be a true star level player for us to really ever be a notch above the hawks and raptors.

Who will be that star for us? I used to think Burks or favors could be. I don't think so anymore.
So much rides on exum being a superstar talent.


I agree with you about lyles vs love though

Hood Exum and Gobert on defense. Then u look at the fact we also have favors and Burks on team friendly contracts, and Hayward and Lyles, and tons of cap room. We are far more loaded then either of those teams in a year or two. Personally I don't see how Exum won't be a star.