Where does Utah fit in the West?

[Joe Bagadonuts]

yes so long as their borders with Utah remained the same.

Probably would have resulted in constant border wars. Thank God we got lucky that the shapes of all the states fit together so well. Within each state the same goes for the counties. Whoever originally assembled this puzzle must have been a genius.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I've said it too many times, but what the ****: Gobert + Favors does not equal a great defense. We have to address problems on the perimeter.

But, whatevs.

Hayward hood and Exum will start next year. Exum figures to be elite defensively Hayward is very underrated defensively. Hood isn't a beast defensively, but he's also not bad. I'm not sure what defensive problems that need addressing you're referring to?

 

[Stoked]

I've said it too many times, but what the ****: Gobert + Favors does not equal a great defense. We have to address problems on the perimeter.

But, whatevs.

On the defensive end Exum goes a long way towards that.

 

[fishonjazz]

I've said it too many times, but what the ****: Gobert + Favors does not equal a great defense. We have to address problems on the perimeter.

But, whatevs.

Maybe not but the point is that the jazz have lots of good defenders. Hayward, Exum, Gobert and favors all have all nba defensive team potential.

I don't see any elite scorers though. (Maybe hood gets there. Maybe not)

 

[fishonjazz]

For me I think we have great defenders and a defensive minded coach already in place.
What we need is more balance.... A great scorer/offensive player.

The warriors have really good defenders (draymond, bogut, etc) and really good scorers (curry, Thompson) and not all those guys are good on both ends of the court.

Same with the spurs. Aldridge isn't much of a defender. Neither is ginobli or parker. They are there to score.

Not all players can be like Leonard and cp3 and be really good on both ends.

The jazz already have Gobert, favors, and exum. Stud, terrific defenders. What the jazz do not have is a dude who can drop 40-50 points in a game a few times a year and frequently hit the 30 point mark.

That's what the jazz should be chasing right now. Give up hayward, Burks, trey, draft picks for a dude that can score like that.
Or trade for a high draft pick if there might be a dude like that in the draft.

Of course there is a good chance that there simply isn't the opportunity to trade for, draft, or acquire in free agency a guy like that.

 

[NAOS]

Hayward hood and Exum will start next year. Exum figures to be elite defensively Hayward is very underrated defensively. Hood isn't a beast defensively, but he's also not bad. I'm not sure what defensive problems that need addressing you're referring to?

why do you cakky idiots fail to acknowledge our 4th quarter defensive problems? Why do you expect other posters to assume Exum will be juss teh besst? Please stop taking the bad hallucinogens for one day. Detox, pls.

 

[NAOS]

Maybe not but the point is that the jazz have lots of good defenders. Hayward, Exum, Gobert and favors all have all nba defensive team potential.

I don't see any elite scorers though. (Maybe hood gets there. Maybe not)

That's hyper-hopey -- but keep riding high with it if that feels good, brough

 

[NAOS]

On the defensive end Exum goes a long way towards that.

Is that proven yet?
Also, what about the injury?

We need help on the perimeter, regardless of Exum. It doesn't need to be a starting-caliber stud, but we need a specialist at the very least.

 

[green]

I know I Know Defense Defense Defense but...

Love for Favors is the kind of trade that should happen. Both teams would be better.

Exum
Hood
Hayward
Love
Gobert

Love would fit in perfectly with us. He would spread the floor, rebound, be great in the pick and roll with Hayward/Exum/Hood.

Anyone who wouldn't trade Favors for Love...well, thank god they aren't our GM.

 

[green]

Lyles does not equal Love

I actually think that with all that length(especially Exum & Gobert) we would be well equipped to hide Love's defensive shortcomings. Love may even look like a fairly decent defender given that his role would be smaller than it would be on almost any other team. Remember people criticized the hell out of Dirk's D and that dude has a ring. Either way I think that Love would more than make up for the difference on the other end of the floor.

I wouldn't want Love to play any defense. Between Exum, Hayward and Gobert, we would be above average defensively.

I would want Love to score 25 a game. That would be his role.

 

[silesian]

There are NINE teams that have legit stars on their teams. We don't have one. And no. Hayward isn't on the level of any of the players above.

I think you must have time traveled from 2010 if you think Howard is still a legit NBA star.

This stuff drives me a bit crazy since everyone has a convenient and amorphous definition of "legit star" or "superstar" --some say it must be a person who take over a game offensively, some say a one-dimensional defensive player can be a superstar. Some say that you must be an all-time great to lead a team to a title. Then when someone outside the category wins a title, folks use ex poste facto logic to say "well, they really were a superstar, we just didn't see it until the won a title" or they write exceptions to the rule (Chauncy, Bill Walton, etc). And those who don't win a title, they say it is because they really weren't a superstar after all.

The Kevin Love argument is silly. He led the TWolves to greatness (sarcasm). And if he were co-superstar with LeBron and Kyrie, who could beat them? How does a two-time All NBA second teamer qualify as a superstar in the same category with LeBron, Curry and Durant -- he is nowhere near these guys. One can credibly argue that Love is better than Hayward, but not that he is in a completely separate category.

 

[green]

I think Rodney Hood can be a 23+ ppg scorer. Efficiently. And I think he can do that within read-option style sets that get others involved. And, I think Exum will be able to contribute to good offense.

^When you pair this with elite defense, then the future could still be bright.

Hood is the new Burks. I always said Burks ceiling was sixth man of the year. Looks like I may be right.

Hood is so over-rated here. He is a solid starter. Nothing more. Utah needs a starting role wing player now.