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Where is that pit bull thread when I need it?

https://www.bryantsreddevils.com/Faqs.html

Of course this guy is probably secretly teaching his dogs to fight and kill and fights them for money. Since NO ONE ever crops ears for any other reason than to put the dog in fights. In fact I found the blatant lie on his website:



That blatant lie is an obvious sign of someone who secretly crops the dogs' ears so he can fight them. Obviously.
Lol, yes, he probably IS contributing to his dog possibly becoming viscous. Even if he doesn't know it. You make your dog a fighter, even if you think it's only for "cosmetic" purposes, then you shouldn't blame it on the "breed" when the dog acts like a fighter.
 
They aren't lying. They are just flat out wrong as their world view does not match that of Salty's.

I think salty usually has some good points, then they are taken to the extreme and for some reason he'll defend them to the death. His points are usually spot on then you assume he means something a little more hyperbolic than I believe he intends. That's just my opinion though.
 
You're right, any breed of dog is capable of an attack. However, the fact that 67% of fatal attacks are committed by a breed that makes up 5% of the dog population is a fairly telling statistic.

In reading up a little further on this, I came across a few sources that agree on a basic difference between dog attacks by breed. According to many of them, pit bulls (and to a lesser extent, rottweilers) attack to kill, while almost any other breed (including German Shepherds) attack to intimidate.

Responsible ownership does lower the risk, but to suggest that any inclination toward aggression is purely environmental is a hollow argument.

On the other hand if psychotic jackasses can't own pitbulls and just switch to rots or dobermans or shepherds, I bet the incidents of fatal attacks would rise from those breeds.
 
Lol, yes, he probably IS contributing to his dog possibly becoming viscous. Even if he doesn't know it. You make your dog a fighter, even if you think it's only for "cosmetic" purposes,

I think I'm starting to understand your line of reasoning. When I was a baby, my parents had me circumsized, and I've been pissed off ever since. In fact, I kinda wanna go out and kick someone's *** right now.

Is that close?
 
I have never actually known a pit bull hater and am bummed that I do now.

That said, the hate is plain stupid and sucks. If a person has to explain why a ban on breeds is wrong then I wouldn't even know where to start.
 
On the other hand if psychotic jackasses can't own pitbulls and just switch to rots or dobermans or shepherds, I bet the incidents of fatal attacks would rise from those breeds.

My suggestion on this issue is to worry about psychotic jackasses, not the dogs they might own. Fix the psychotic jackass problem, and the dog problem goes away. But even if you can't fix psychotic jackasses, or even get it under control, I'm 100% sure psychotic jackasses pose a much greater threat to my safety than dogs and they always will.
 
I think I'm starting to understand your line of reasoning. When I was a baby, my parents had me circumsized, and I've been pissed off ever since. In fact, I kinda wanna go out and kick someone's *** right now.

Is that close?
Not quite. More like if you give your little girl huge breast implants, don't blame it on her race if she turns out to be a slut. Even if a bunch of losers have posted on some message board that they only did it for "cosmetic" purposes.
 
This is far too simplistic an argument. You cannot quantify "loserness" of the owners. You can't tell from the data which owners were "losers" and which were like the guy in Fernley who by all accounts was a responsible owner. In fact in most cases I have read about in the news they identify the dog as having been gentle and loving up to the point of the attack. I haven't heard of many where they reported that the guy in the ratty trailer wearing the wife beater and mullet fed his dog raw meet and kicked and whipped it daily then set it loose on the town at night.

-1 because you forgot to mention anything about tattoos (but the fact that you omitted any cheese references grants you a +1)


I think we should ban all dogs and cats. These are wild animals that we only think we have domesticated. Pit Bull, German Shepard, or Fox Hound. They all have mouths and and can bite. I would also ban guns, cars, ropes, and any other item that could hurt someone with a unresponable owner. I mean it has nothing to do with the owner and everything to do with the animal, gun, drink, or item...

just ban anyone with tattoos from owning pitbulls and maybe the problem would be solved? they're the biggest losers in the world, aren't they?


seriously though, this is an interesting discussion with some good points raised on both sides, and I'm starting to think maybe there should be more breed-specific restrictions that I'd originally thought. Still don't think I'd favor a total ban on owning them, but some of the arguments in that regard are compelling.
 
Not quite. More like if you give your little girl huge breast implants, don't blame it on her race if she turns out to be a slut. Even if a bunch of losers have posted on some message board that they only did it for "cosmetic" purposes.


hold on Salty, are you saying that women with big boobs are a different race? or that they're sluts? or are sluts a different race?

interesting...

let me just put it this way, that's not the best way to get your point across
 
hold on Salty, are you saying that women with big boobs are a different race? or that they're sluts? or are sluts a different race?

interesting...

let me just put it this way, that's not the best way to get your point across
No, I'm saying if you give a little girl breast implants, and she turns out to be a slut when she gets older, you can't blame it on her race.

That is basically what's happening here with pit bulls (cropping the ears to make them look like a fighter when they are little puppies).

LogGrad98 is saying pit bulls are inherently evil. He then posts a picture of one that has ears cropped to show how evil they look. I pointed out that the picture said a lot about the type of owners that dog has or had in the past because of the cropped ears. I also said most of the problems with pit bulls stem from bad owners. LogGrad98 then starts posting quotes from these bad owners that I just said were the real problem, and acts like that somehow proves his point correct. And then after he has been claiming that pit bulls are inherently evil, he has the nerve to say I am the one stereotyping when I say clipping the ears contributes to the dog becoming mean.

You can cite numbers that show pit bull attacks are at a higher rate than other dogs. But I maintain that pit bulls have a higher percentage of loser owners than other dogs. LogGrad98's many posted quotes from pitt bull owners (trying to justify making their dogs look like ferocious fighters) should prove this. And like I said in a previous post, it's funny how most of the people who think "pit bulls should be banned because they are inherently evil" have never owned one, and most people who have actually owned one are in the "pit bulls turn out how you raise them to be" camp.

If you ban pit bulls, and the loser owners' dog of choice becomes a rot, you'll see rot attacks drastically increase. And even if some loser posts on a message board that the cropped ears/tail, spiked collar, and raw meat diet are strictly for "cosmetic" purposes, it doesn't mean your actions don't have an impact on the dog's personality.
 
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LOL where did I ever say there were evil? And where is your objective evidence that any owner that crops ears is a "loser". Care to cite something or provide evidence rather than your standard of making a claim and calling everyone else liars?

As far as evil goes, my claim is that pitbulls are naturally aggressive dogs. You actually supported that multiple times by pointing out that is what they were bred for to begin with, as fighting dogs. Due to breeding, any pitbull, and to a lesser extent, any dog, can become unpredictably aggressive. You ASSUMED I selected that picture BECAUSE of the cropped ears. Actually, I grabbed the first pic I clicked on of a pitbull that was not too large to fit in the forum (the first 2 or 3 were huge pics). ANY pitbull would have fit that particular post, that they look more dangerous than a teacup poodle.

Obviously owners play into it. Sure you see cases where the owner obviously did not control their dogs. But there are plenty of cases out there where you read how well-mannered the dog was and everyone was surprised. Also, if this breed does attract all the loser owner, what better reason to ban it. Either that or require a background check. If it is primarily owners who are going to make the dogs dangerous that buy them, then don't make them available for sale. Pretty strong argument for a ban (which by the way I never said I supported. I said early in the thread that I did not support an all-out ban of the dog, but don't let that get in the way of you misrepresenting and mis-stating facts and opinions.)

The most hilarious thing is your insistence on all or nothing stances. EVERY owner that ever crops ears are nothing but wifebeater-wearing rednecks who fight their dogs every weekend and cropped the ears so they could be a better fighter, and if they claim it is for aesthetics, they are lying. EVERYONE who ever used marijuana had EXACTLY the same experience you did and if they say they didn't they are lying. Basically, everyone with an opinion or actual experience different than yours is a liar. It is a very convenient, if entirely specious, assertion.

That makes it so hard not to just laugh at everything you post. You are obviously very narcissistic, very young or naive, or not very intelligent if you can't see that in life there is actually mostly gray area and not very much that is as black and white as you would have everyone believe. And your insistence on black and white in all arguments shows how desperate you are to win and represents absurdity at its finest.

So you can go on believing your assumption that every pitbull owner that likes a different look in the breed than you do is nothing but a dog-fighting redneck idiot, while the rest of us will go ahead and observe the evidence that some entirely responsible owners might like that look better for any of a hundred reasons.

You know, the more I dig around on the internet to find out why people crop their dogs' ears, it is amazing how many baldface liars there are, and how many owners that talk about the great temperament of their dogs and how their dogs are harmless are really just fighting them on weekends and teaching them to be aggressive while claiming they are "well-mannered". Here are some:

https://hqbullies.com/testimonials/

Here is a pitbull that had natural ears that killed a kid. Strange since all aggressive dogs have cropped ears so they can fight. This owner must just not have gotten around to it yet.

https://www.kmph.com/story/11384153/delhi-toddler-killed-in-pit-bull-attack-identified

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And another:

https://www.tampabay.com/news/publi...o-a-terror-attacks-owner-and-landlord/1083982

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Since then, Sullivan has struggled to understand why Ruger snapped. In the three years they owned the dog, she said they had never been a hint of violence from the dog.

"Ruger was never mean to anybody," she said. "I wish I could have been in his head to figure out what happened."

So you have fun railing against all available evidence in your quest to be right despite the evidence and facts.
 
-1 because you forgot to mention anything about tattoos (but the fact that you omitted any cheese references grants you a +1)




just ban anyone with tattoos from owning pitbulls and maybe the problem would be solved? they're the biggest losers in the world, aren't they?


seriously though, this is an interesting discussion with some good points raised on both sides, and I'm starting to think maybe there should be more breed-specific restrictions that I'd originally thought. Still don't think I'd favor a total ban on owning them, but some of the arguments in that regard are compelling.

Hey don't dis the cheese.
 
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