I seriously would not be excited if we traded Favors for Love. Watching Love this year on defense was beyond painful--he looked worse than Al Jefferson because he doesn't get the blocks Al does and still doesn't put in the effort. His scoring and rebounding are superb. I just don't think you win with someone who has bad defense. For me, Griffin is the only person I would consider because he is only in his second year, but he doesn't play D either. So many people put stock in scoring, rather than winning. I would argue that players like Bogut (when healthy) impact the game more than players that score a lot at an average or slightly above average rate. I personally hate watching a team that does not defend even if they're better on offense. This is Al Jefferson. You don't have a chance against the elite teams if you can't defend.
Which PF would you trade for Favors?
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I seriously would not be excited if we traded Favors for Love. Watching Love this year on defense was beyond painful--he looked worse than Al Jefferson because he doesn't get the blocks Al does and still doesn't put in the effort. His scoring and rebounding are superb. I just don't think you win with someone who has bad defense. For me, Griffin is the only person I would consider because he is only in his second year, but he doesn't play D either. So many people put stock in scoring, rather than winning. I would argue that players like Bogut (when healthy) impact the game more than players that score a lot at an average or slightly above average rate. I personally hate watching a team that does not defend even if they're better on offense. This is Al Jefferson. You don't have a chance against the elite teams if you can't defend.
Gyp Rosetti
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I'm sorry but who the hell are the two dumbasses who took Aldridge over Favors?
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?9228-Favors-Elite-Offensive-Skill&highlight=Favors%27+elite
At 20 years old, he ended up ranked 21st in the league (1.14 PPP) with poor PG facility. Favors with Tony Parker would be absurd.
Might as well subtract rebounds out as they aren't really in question or the problem. Going down toward 20 and noone in their right mind takes that bet. Favors has a huge edge in hustle points. 24 is huge production though and he is very unlikely to hit that in 3 years, if ever.
I win from that bet either way though.
Favors would be great featured as the low post in Popavich's 4-1 set. He would have more trouble with the trailer post, but realistically anyone can get points there if they're willing to learn the offense.
He wouldn't be anywhere near as good in a less spread setting.
Gyp Rosetti
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Okay, what about 23.0??? Is 23.0+ fair as the benchmark then? 22.9 or less and I lose...23.0+ and I win...Thoughts? And how much are we betting?
So doesn't 21st in P&Rs in the NBA at age 20 on the Utah Jazz (in the bottom five in three-point %) with PGs that don't run the P&R well suggest that he could be at least top 5-10 in the NBA in P&Rs? It does to me, and I think we should focus on Favors as a P&R player.
Agreed. I was just trying to show that standing reach and wingspan aren't everything. You still have to know how to position yourself and and protect the ball.
If Favors averages 23+ points in 3 years I will take that as Kanter didn't pan out as well as most people though, because it's pretty rare to have both your front court players put up 20+ points per game.
Considering:
1) I've subtracted out the option on Kanter becoming a 12+ rpg guy therefore screwing that Favors box score bet
2) A 3 year option to sell and cover the bet
3) Giving you an additional extra point on your back track
I'm still not willing to make a bet that's skewed so far in my favor. Read the following and let us even things out before we set terms. Board input is invited.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealje01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/pts_per_g_top_10.html
https://www.nba.com/playerfile/dwight_howard/career_stats.html
Depending on the coaching, I see Favors at about 18-20 points/36 in 3 years unless they run a lot of P&Rs for him, and then I could see him getting to 20-22/36. Total, I see him at 19, 11, 2, 1stl, 2 and dominating on defense in three years. I would be surprised to see him getting to 23 points/game, really ever.
Gyp Rosetti
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So throw out numbers then that is a fair bet in your opinion? I'm open.