Which vets to extend in 2026 if they are still here

[Tremendous Upside]

I'd say keep Collins is the price is right, but if were going to continue to tank let him move on and play the young guys. I'm over JC and I'd like to see Sexton in a different role on a team competing for a title. I love his passion for the game but I don't think he'll ever fit into a Hardy system.

Sexton has been in a FANTASTIC situation with the Jazz.

He would be a 20mpg, 7th guy in any other team.

Let's not pretend like he's been suffering here.

 

[default]

Clarkson is just done and it is time to go.

Collins would be fine to keep for $15-20M per season

Sexton is my favorite of the bunch and the most entertaining player on our team to watch the last couple years, but if we draft Tre, Fears, or VJ then it might be time to move on so the young guys get the minutes they need to develop.

 

[Schrödinger's Gerbil]

Clarkson is just done and it is time to go.

Collins would be fine to keep for $15-20M per season

Sexton is my favorite of the bunch and the most entertaining player on our team to watch the last couple years, but if we draft Tre, Fears, or VJ then it might be time to move on so the young guys get the minutes they need to develop.

I'm curious for anyone who has the time and/or interest in looking it up. How do Sexton's stats (box and advanced) compare to Garland's? They are both under-sized shoot-first point guards with limited defensive chops. Is Garland, a two-time all star, THAT much better? I wonder if the narrative on Sexton and Garland has become a bit disconnected from on-court performance.

Maybe it hasn't, though, and Garland is clearly superior. That's why I'm asking.

Once you get a rep in this league, fair or not, it's seems to be difficult to change it. (Much of the discourse is people parroting other people. As Yoda might say, "The group think is strong with this one." It's the safe play to go along with the crowd, unless you're Kendrick Perkins, in which case you get paid to say dumb shiite.

 

[Basketball Novice]

I'm curious for anyone who has the time and/or interest in looking it up. How do Sexton's stats (box and advanced) compare to Garland's? They are both under-sized shoot-first point guards with limited defensive chops. Is Garland, a two-time all star, THAT much better? I wonder if the narrative on Sexton and Garland has become a bit disconnected from on-court performance.

Maybe it hasn't, though, and Garland is clearly superior. That's why I'm asking.

Once you get a rep in this league, fair or not, it's seems to be difficult to change it. (Much of the discourse is people parroting other people. As Yoda might say, "The group think is strong with this one." It's the safe play to go along with the crowd, unless you're Kendrick Perkins, in which case you get paid to say dumb shiite.

Its tough to compare the advanced stats just because Garland plays on a great team with Mitchell and Mobley.

This season was Garland's best in his career by shooting %
47% FG
40% 3FG
60% TS
6.7 Assists/game
30 minutes/game

Compared to Sexton
48% FG
40% 3FG
59% TS
4.2 Assists/game
28 minutes/game

The boxscore shooting looks identical, Garland shoots more 3s, Sexton gets to the rim more and gets FTs. Like you said, I have doubts that Garland is worth twice of what Sexton is worth. Garland also gets injured a ton and falls off in the playoffs a bit.
Garland is the better passer but also has better players to pass to. Sexton has Lauri and Collins but also Keyonte and Collier to pass to. But Sexton always was a bit worse at passing than Garland.

By the stats, Garland is probably marginally better but has injury and playoff issues. Maybe someone can throw up some Advanced stats to prove this assertion wrong.

 

[Schrödinger's Gerbil]

Its tough to compare the advanced stats just because Garland plays on a great team with Mitchell and Mobley.

This season was Garland's best in his career by shooting %
47% FG
40% 3FG
60% TS
6.7 Assists/game
30 minutes/game

Compared to Sexton
48% FG
40% 3FG
59% TS
4.2 Assists/game
28 minutes/game

The boxscore shooting looks identical, Garland shoots more 3s, Sexton gets to the rim more and gets FTs. Like you said, I have doubts that Garland is worth twice of what Sexton is worth. Garland also gets injured a ton and falls off in the playoffs a bit.
Garland is the better passer but also has better players to pass to. Sexton has Lauri and Collins but also Keyonte and Collier to pass to. But Sexton always was a bit worse at passing than Garland.

By the stats, Garland is probably marginally better but has injury and playoff issues. Maybe someone can throw up some Advanced stats to prove this assertion wrong.

I suspect that part of what's happening is narrative stickiness. Sexton was thrust out of the gate into the lead dog on a bad Cavaliers team. The result was entirely predictable, high usage and inefficient scoring. Unfortunately for him, that has stuck, and it now defines him. Clearly, Cleveland saw more of what it liked in Garland, which is why they shipped Sexton out and kept Garland. Garland, in turn, has benefited from the halo effect of playing with superior talent on a winning team where he hasn't had to play lead dog role.

It will not surprise me if Cleveland moves on from Garland. He's hit his ceiling, and it's not lifting the rest of the team.

 

[fishonjazz]

I suspect that part of what's happening is narrative stickiness. Sexton was thrust out of the gate into the lead dog on a bad Cavaliers team. The result was entirely predictable, high usage and inefficient scoring. Unfortunately for him, that has stuck, and it now defines him. Clearly, Cleveland saw more of what it liked in Garland, which is why they shipped Sexton out and kept Garland. Garland, in turn, has benefited from the halo effect of playing with superior talent on a winning team where he hasn't had to play lead dog role.

It will not surprise me if Cleveland moves on from Garland. He's hit his ceiling, and it's not lifting the rest of the team.

If anyone thinks sexton is still an inefficient scorer then they crazy.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

If anyone thinks sexton is still an inefficient scorer then they crazy.

As always, the point is that Sexton can be a dynamic scorer, and even reasonably efficient... if he's on a short leash and has a well defined role.

Give him too much freedom and he gets a head full of steam, forgets that he has teammates and starts going 1-on-4. That's just who he is and teams know it.

The problem is that I suspect Collin doesn't see himself as a bench scorer with a limited role. Certainly not after he's pretty much had free rein in Utah.

That makes trading him very difficult. He won't start anywhere.

 

[NUMBERICA]

As always, the point is that Sexton can be a dynamic scorer, and even reasonably efficient... if he's on a short leash and has a well defined role.

Give him too much freedom and he gets a head full of steam, forgets that he has teammates and starts going 1-on-4. That's just who he is and teams know it.

K, dude. Your subjective assessment doesn’t change the objective math. He’s efficient AND productive. Sit down.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

Sexton is a good shooter and has improved a lot all around, but when I see the offense run under Tre, it makes watching the game more enjoyable. And that says a lot because Tre has a lot to improve on.

 

[fishonjazz]

Sexton is a good shooter and has improved a lot all around, but when I see the offense run under Tre, it makes watching the game more enjoyable. And that says a lot because Tre has a lot to improve on.

Who is this tre you speak of?

 

[TheGoldStandard]

Who is this tre you speak of?

Lol, I meant Collier. Been operating on too little sleep as I'm in the process of getting a new business off the ground and still trying to maintain my current workload.

 

[NUMBERICA]

So the conversation of what we can do with ‘26 cap space is an important one, and the only free agent worth pursuing is gonna be Austin Reeves. I wish someone would’ve had the foresight to suggest over and over and over that throwing the “max” at Reeves when he was last a free agent was better than taking on John Collins. Collins has come around… but to what end?

Anyway, just venting.