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Who could we trade for?

Vermin said:
Sit back and let this play out. Jesus. Who besides the delusional thought we would be better than this considering the ridiculous schedule we have had. There are only two players I really think should be moved and they are kanter and trey.

I'm also not willing to give up a 1st for anything other than a potential star. I'm liking how this draft class is coming together. If we could land another top7 pick their are some intriguing players there. Mix him in with our young vets i think we start sniffing the playoffs next year and are in a better position to swing for the fences for a star player if needed.
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Ridiculous schedule?
8 Home and 9 Away. Not too bad. We've had an easy EC road trip that only included one top-tier team. As for our games against the WC, EVERY team except for Utah, Minny and LA is good. Oh yeah, we got HAMMERED by a 3-12 team missing their two best players. This team is a train wreck right now and it has little to do with the schedule.

As for trades, unless someone wants Trey or Enes, I'd probably sit tight. No combination of Jazz players is going to net us a superstar. Utah is headed for a top-5 pick. And the team can sign players via FA once they renounce the rights to Kanter. Maybe take a late 1st for a guy like Booker (a contender may give us that at the deadline). I'd do the same type trade for Trey. Maybe Enes is worth a 2nd to a contender who needs another big.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Ridiculous schedule?
8 Home and 9 Away. Not too bad. We've had an easy EC road trip that only included one top-tier team. As for our games against the WC, EVERY team except for Utah, Minny and LA is good. Oh yeah, we got HAMMERED by a 3-12 team missing their two best players. This team is a train wreck right now and it has little to do with the schedule.
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4 games in 5 nights is hard for any team. Not everyone has had that test yet.
 
Cy said:
4 games in 5 nights is hard for any team. Not everyone has had that test yet.
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Guess I must have missed that. I don't see anywhere when the Jazz played 3 games in a row or 2, then a day off and 2 more. I see on their road trip they played 5 games in the space of a week.

However, even if I did miss the 4-in-5, across the NBA some teams have now played 19 games, some 15 and most right around the 17. So the Jazz have not played appreciably more than anyone else. Their schedule has been about average.


Edit: Boston has only played 14. The average for all 30 teams is 16.4 games. So just a hair more difficult than average for Utah in terms of total games. And just one game more in terms of away vs. home.

Conclusion: yes, the Jazz really ARE this bad and we can't hope the schedule will save us much going forward. Yes, we do still have 2 games against Philly and have not yet played LA or Minnesota. That gives Utah a few more wins (we hope). Then again, we haven't yet faced some of the better teams. So I will concede the schedule is somewhat easier than it has been over the first 17 games, but not by a lot.
 
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We have two big position problems right now. PG and PF. So the first question is do we want a upgrade for Trey, do we want a upgrade for Enes or maybe even for both?

For me a good respectable defense starts on the peimeter and to be more specific on the top of the key. Trey constantly allows penetration. He can't stand in front of his man for more than two seconds and he get's killed on screens every friggin time. That puts our bigs (especially Enes) in a terrible position. And it's really not just Enes. The Raptors put Derick a couple of times in the PnR with Trey and the result was the same. Easy points! I would think we can somehow overcome one terrible defender but certainly not two.

So my proposal would be to get Patrick Beverley from the Rockets! He is a pest on the defensive end. A hard nosed player who doesn't give up and is constantly in the opponents face. Offensively he is not much of a playmaker but he still can create with drive and kicks. And he isn't shy of contact. He doesn't draw many FTs but still more than Trey does. And he is great in catch and shoot situations fom downtown(51.3% on 5.6 attempts). He is also one of the better rebounding PG's in the League.

The question is could we get him via trade or do we need to wait till FA? I don't think the Rockets would trade him but their GM likes to have assets. Would a young PG with two years left on his rookie contract be enough or should we just wait and make him an offer in FA? Whatever the situation might be I think he would help us a lot.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Ridiculous schedule?
8 Home and 9 Away. Not too bad. We've had an easy EC road trip that only included one top-tier team. As for our games against the WC, EVERY team except for Utah, Minny and LA is good. Oh yeah, we got HAMMERED by a 3-12 team missing their two best players. This team is a train wreck right now and it has little to do with the schedule.

As for trades, unless someone wants Trey or Enes, I'd probably sit tight. No combination of Jazz players is going to net us a superstar. Utah is headed for a top-5 pick. And the team can sign players via FA once they renounce the rights to Kanter. Maybe take a late 1st for a guy like Booker (a contender may give us that at the deadline). I'd do the same type trade for Trey. Maybe Enes is worth a 2nd to a contender who needs another big.
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I am not going to argue with you because I am right. They have the 5th toughest schedule thus far.
 
Primetime said:
We have two big position problems right now. PG and PF. So the first question is do we want a upgrade for Trey, do we want a upgrade for Enes or maybe even for both?

For me a good respectable defense starts on the peimeter and to be more specific on the top of the key. Trey constantly allows penetration. He can't stand in front of his man for more than two seconds and he get's killed on screens every friggin time. That puts our bigs (especially Enes) in a terrible position. And it's really not just Enes. The Raptors put Derick a couple of times in the PnR with Trey and the result was the same. Easy points! I would think we can somehow overcome one terrible defender but certainly not two.

So my proposal would be to get Patrick Beverley from the Rockets! He is a pest on the defensive end. A hard nosed player who doesn't give up and is constantly in the opponents face. Offensively he is not much of a playmaker but he still can create with drive and kicks. And he isn't shy of contact. He doesn't draw many FTs but still more than Trey does. And he is great in catch and shoot situations fom downtown(51.3% on 5.6 attempts). He is also one of the better rebounding PG's in the League.

The question is could we get him via trade or do we need to wait till FA? I don't think the Rockets would trade him but their GM likes to have assets. Would a young PG with two years left on his rookie contract be enough or should we just wait and make him an offer in FA? Whatever the situation might be I think he would help us a lot.
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They aren't trading Beverley.
 
Vermin said:
I am not going to argue with you because I am right. They have the 5th toughest schedule thus far.
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The only counter argument to your pointing out the 5th toughest schedule, is that the Jazz did remarkably well in the first 12 games of that tough schedule, and then the schedule seemed to ease up a bit as far as number of games is concerned, and the Jazz have not won a game since.

Part of that may be that Quin seems to push them really hard in practice, probably too hard to win a lot of games. I just don't think Quin is too concerned with the win loss record at this point. He seems to want to see the improvement in the system, and wins will come later.
 
Primetime said:
We have two big position problems right now. PG and PF. So the first question is do we want a upgrade for Trey, do we want a upgrade for Enes or maybe even for both?

For me a good respectable defense starts on the peimeter and to be more specific on the top of the key. Trey constantly allows penetration. He can't stand in front of his man for more than two seconds and he get's killed on screens every friggin time. That puts our bigs (especially Enes) in a terrible position. And it's really not just Enes. The Raptors put Derick a couple of times in the PnR with Trey and the result was the same. Easy points! I would think we can somehow overcome one terrible defender but certainly not two.

So my proposal would be to get Patrick Beverley from the Rockets! He is a pest on the defensive end. A hard nosed player who doesn't give up and is constantly in the opponents face. Offensively he is not much of a playmaker but he still can create with drive and kicks. And he isn't shy of contact. He doesn't draw many FTs but still more than Trey does. And he is great in catch and shoot situations fom downtown(51.3% on 5.6 attempts). He is also one of the better rebounding PG's in the League.

The question is could we get him via trade or do we need to wait till FA? I don't think the Rockets would trade him but their GM likes to have assets. Would a young PG with two years left on his rookie contract be enough or should we just wait and make him an offer in FA? Whatever the situation might be I think he would help us a lot.
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Beverly would be an unknown in our system. He could be worse than Burke because 77% of his shots are assisted. What happens when he has to create his own offense and that number comes down to 49% like Burke? Most likely brick city. His 2 assists per game would hurt Favors and Kanter's production, most likely by a lot. Its always risky judging complimentary players like Beverly who get to play next to a superstar.
 
Vermin said:
I am not going to argue with you because I am right. They have the 5th toughest schedule thus far.
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Based on winning percentages of opponents to date, correct?
We'll we've helped that by giving opponents 14 wins against us. Sure the schedule will lighten up: we still need to play Minny, Lakers and Philly. But we've also been torched by a Durant/Westbrook-lees Thunder team and haven't been competitive against several others. This is a repeat of last season: we're not as bad as our start, but not as good as we should be.

But I'm ok with that. Burke and Kanter are busts for where they were picked. Alec is a 6th man. Jazz desperately need another couple of starters. One they can get via free agency; the other they can hopefully pick up via the draft. However, with their history, maybe a safer route is trading that top-5 pick for a known commodity.
 
Does trading for anyone get us closer to something? I mean, we are not going to get a superstar in a trade, so would trading be a net positive?
 
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