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Who Derrick Favors is? Just a reminder for people with short memory

stitches said:
Diaw is a better playmaker for others, but I'm getting kind of fed up with his pumpfakes on wide open 3s and then slow-driving in the lane. If he's not gonna shoot it, is he really spacing the floor?
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To answer your question, if there are less dudes in the paint then yes the floor is being spaced even if he doesn't shoot it. Or even if he misses it.

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fishonjazz said:
To answer your question, if there are less dudes in the paint then yes the floor is being spaced even if he doesn't shoot it. Or even if he misses it.

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That's the thing - there aren't fewer players in the paint. They leave him wide open and don't close hard on him once he pump-fake drives.
 
stitches said:
That's the thing - there aren't fewer players in the paint. They leave him wide open and don't close hard on him once he pump-fake drives.
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I see less players in the paint and rudy getting more easy buckets doe.

How many three pointers has diaw attempted and made this year vs how many for favors I wonder.
 
People definitely close out on Diaw and Lyles at the 3pt line. They do sag off them, but they come back to them to contest most of the time. With a Favors high midrange shot the defenders a lot of the times wont even recover to contest.
 
I hope we see many years of Favors with the Jazz. I love the kid. Fundamentally he is one of our best players. But if we can't afford him, I look forward to seeing him bang elsewhere. Cause the guy will continue to improve and grow. Again, only 25. I just hope he grows with the Jazz.


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Saint Cy of JFC said:
People definitely close out on Diaw and Lyles at the 3pt line. They do sag off them, but they come back to them to contest most of the time. With a Favors high midrange shot the defenders a lot of the times wont even recover to contest.
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Stats disagree with that statement, they say that 33% of Lyles shots greater than 10 feet are wide open, 30% of Diaws are wide open but only 13% of Favors are wide open. The stats are similar for open. They also show that Gobert has more open shots with Favors on the court than either Lyles or Diaw. That is this season with Favors playing at 50%.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Stats disagree with that statement, they say that 33% of Lyles shots greater than 10 feet are wide open, 30% of Diaws are wide open but only 13% of Favors are wide open. The stats are similar for open. They also show that Gobert has more open shots with Favors on the court than either Lyles or Diaw. That is this season with Favors playing at 50%.
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Yeah because Lyles and Diaw often pump fake and drive when defenders close.
 
The bodies of some guys fall apart. NBA history is full of guys with loads of potential but their bodies couldn't handle it.


I guess this post could go in the Alec Burks thread too.
 
stitches said:
I posted their stats the other day - Gobert+Favors has been better than either of them alone for the last 3 years. Even now with Favors being severely limited the Jazz are still +16 net rating with Favors and Gobert on the floor and just +8 with Gobert(without Favors) on the floor. I think our defense more than makes up for the lack of spacing on the offensive end.
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I know... I just want a bigger sample size. I think the difference between Favors and who he is replacing plays a role in those numbers. i think we are better with Favs than Diaw/Lyles, but those guys are two of the worst in the league right now... on both ends. I don't think Favs is hurting Gobert.

What I am worried about is committing $20M to a guy who can't stay on the floor and does not fit amazingly. I'd like to see what the numbers say when it is a good player alongside Gobert, that is also a good fit, so Millsap vs. Favors instead of Diaw vs. Favors.
 
mellow said:
The bodies of some guys fall apart. NBA history is full of guys with loads of potential but their bodies couldn't handle it.


I guess this post could go in the Alec Burks thread too.
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Honestly you could say this about the whole team this year. The one besides Favors and Burks that concerns me is Hood. He seems to miss quite a bit during the year.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah because Lyles and Diaw often pump fake and drive when defenders close.
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Our team also gets more open shots when Favors is on the court as opposed to Diaw or Lyles. The team stats offensively favor Favors. Defensively it is not really close. Diaw and Lyles are sub par defenders right now. I hope Lyles keeps improving but Diaw is at his best which is sub par. Diaw does play decent team defense and rotates somewhat well. I was also impressed with his defense on Boogie. I think no one has defended Cousins as well as he did in the last game including Gobert. But obviously Favors is a much better defender than those two even hobbled.
 
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