Who is the Best Guard or Wing We can Get for Walker Kessler?

[Handlogten's Heros]

It’s more likely that Kessler is a 24-30 minute guy and you find a stretch center option to be a change up than it is to find a stretch center option that also does the other stuff you need and Walker becomes the traditional backup guy.

John Collins has been solid in a vacuum but this is part of the cost of the deal.

 

[RyGuy]

lol… or we just get the kid space and a pg.

You don’t trade him now unless you get a too good to pass up type offer. If you draft Sarr or find a better center by all means make a move… until then just chill.

It’s so clear that a guy like Walker would be most affected by our two biggest issues with lack of passing and spacing. He is the player most susceptible to a fall off when getting John Collins and running with our pg mess.

Oh I completely agree Kessler has been affected by the lack of spacing, poor point guard play and the insertion of John Collins in the starting lineup. Now if you can definitely say Walker's value won't drop in the eyes of the league due to these issues then I'm totally fine with keeping him around and see if the Jazz can upgrade before making a move.

But like Bill Belichek on the Patriots I'd rather get rid of a player a year earlier than a year late. I'm totally fine with waiting this out and see what happens but I think you have to realize doing that does in fact put the risk out there that Kesslers value could tank around the league whereas right now is still probably fairly good. That's the nature of the business. Sometimes you hold onto players too long and sometimes you get rid of them too early. It's a risk either way

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

MCW won ROY once.....

There's a number of players who had great rookie seasons who never amounted to much of anything.

I think Paschall was first team rookie and is now out of the NBA.

No way Kessler is a wash out with his ability to block shots. It’s his super power as Thurl would say. Not sure if you remember how bad Rudy was the first couple of years, cause Kessler is further along than second year Rudy imo.

 

[underdog]

Way too early to start thinking about trading Kessler, who just turned 22 this summer. Cy is at it again with a new thread about a player he doesn't like.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

No way Kessler is a wash out with his ability to block shots. It’s his super power as Thurl would say. Not sure if you remember how bad Rudy was the first couple of years, cause Kessler is further along than second year Rudy imo.

Sure, he is further along, but he doesnt have Rudy's size.

 

[HermanG]

Dumbest thing being discussed in this board by a mile is the suggestion that removing Vando and Gay and adding Collins hurt our spacing. And a lot of smart people involved in fixing that narrative.

Collins is actually the 3rd best pair to Kessler from our main rotation guys according to net ratings (and offensive ratings):

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Dumbest thing being discussed in this board by a mile is the suggestion that removing Vando and Gay and adding Collins hurt our spacing. And a lot of smart people involved in fixing that narrative.

Collins is actually the 3rd best pair to Kessler from our main rotation guys according to net ratings (and offensive ratings):
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It doesn’t help when compared with what KO brings to that lineup versus Gay/Vando. It’s also made worse by having a guy like THT who is not a good shooter off the dribble and is not a guy that teams close hard too… in the place of Mike Conley and having this years JC compared to last year JC.

Collins might work better in that lineup with a true pg and some other competent shooters. The guard play is so damn horrible that it’s honestly hard to make any kind of evaluation.

 

[outerspacefan]

I wouldn't even think about trading Kessler until you give him a look with a more traditional lineup <...> if he still continues to struggle then I start to have a conversation about where he fits in our future.

I agree. Kid should get a chance to play in a traditional lineup.
The downside: if kid continues to struggle his trade value will torpedoed down

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If you really want to trade Kessler the time to do it is at draft time. If there’s some prospect you really like you trade him for a top ten pick from a team itching to win now but with Kessler they can still get the benefit of a rookie contract.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I agree. Kid should get a chance to play in a traditional lineup.
The downside: if kid continues to struggle his trade value will torpedoed down

I’m not sure why we are all that worried about his trade value. It isn’t like teams are busting down our doors to make a huge offer right now. Do people not think he’s good? Worst case he’s a Zubac type and is for sure better than our other options.

Guys don’t let Cy get you all worked up here. He’s a good player and asset and will be next year and the year after that. Until we have a better prospect there is no reason to even consider moving him unless someone gives a huge offer.

 

[outerspacefan]

<...>The guard play is so damn horrible that it’s honestly hard to make any kind of evaluation.

Of course this is true too.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Of course this is true too.

And some guys in the league need to be setup… Walker is one of those.