green
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Bronco? Jake? Who are you really?
Who will have the better record this season...BYU or Utah?
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Bronco? Jake? Who are you really?
The Thriller
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Who do you see them losing to?
How long do you think, if Chow's offense is "successful" will it take for Utah to learn and execute it well?
And just from what I saw, Utah's defense seemed to play less aggressive last year than in past years. Was that just me or did you notice that too? I remember the year they won their BCS bowl, they had all types of stunts and blitzes. Paul Kruger would often times fall back into coverage. This past year I didn't see any of that...
Did any of U fans see this as well? Maybe I'm just on crazy pills...
The Thriller
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How long until a few of those guys get kicked out of school after impregnating their GFs?
Did you also notice that Utah had a different defensive coordinator than they had when they won the Sugar Bowl?
I doubt they'd kick out the QB. They'd probably just look the other way while he moves his wedding up a few months. Yeah, like that would happen.
green
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Or go Jim McMahon on the kid. Keep everything under the rug until football season ends, then show him the door when his eligibility runs up.
The Thriller
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Which obviously needs to be considered.
However, coach Whit is a defensive guy and was still very much involved in the defense. He typically promotes a very aggressive defensive style. I did not see a very aggressive defense last year. Was it because of personnel? Was it the coordinator? Were they trying something new? Will they return to being more aggressive?
Which did you folks prefer?
The Thriller
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Or go Jim McMahon on the kid. Keep everything under the rug until football season ends, then show him the door when his eligibility runs up.
I don't think that BYU can keep things under the rug anymore like they did 30 years ago.
In just 10 years the social media has transformed things. With facebook, twitter, cellphones that can take pictures and movies, etc it's very difficult to keep things secret.
BYU isn't as slow on these things anymore. Maybe it's because they're a more recognizable university than before? Maybe it's from pressure from the LDS church? Different leadership at BYU? While some people use McMahon as an example of BYU's inconsistency 30 years ago. I think Davies was a good example of BYU's consistency today. BYU easily could have waited a few weeks to "think about" and debate what his punishment should have been... During this process, he and Jimmer could have led BYU to a much higher seed or further in the tournament.
The system isn't perfect and I'm sure honor code violations happen all the time (and don't go reported). But I'm pretty sure if you break a biggie, like having sex, it's going to come out and you will be punished.
green
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Completely agree, just making a joke.
As a fan of both teams (Michigan fan here but want to see the local teams do well) - BYU should have a better record but its because of their cake home schedule. I can see BYU going no worse than 8- personally. They really have only a few 'games' on their schedule - @ Ol Miss, @ Texas, Utah, @ TCU, @ Oregon State, @ Hawaii - Tough seeing them going any worse than 2-4 there but a chance to go 5-1 (Dont see them beating TCU @ TCU)
Utah actually has a brutal schedule thus the reason I thought it was stupid that they agreed to take the game at BYU this year. Worst case 5-7 - best case 9-3. Too many factors to figure in for them - Wynn returning - Chow's new offense - adjustment to a Pac 10 Schedule - Only really 1 gimmie (Washington St.) on the schedule but then again they did beat I believe Oregon State last year so is it a gimmie? I would be happy with a 7-5 record with that tough out of conference schedule and 1st year in the Pac 12.
Utah actually has a brutal schedule thus the reason I thought it was stupid that they agreed to take the game at BYU this year. Worst case 5-7 - best case 9-3. Too many factors to figure in for them - Wynn returning - Chow's new offense - adjustment to a Pac 10 Schedule - Only really 1 gimmie (Washington St.) on the schedule but then again they did beat I believe Oregon State last year so is it a gimmie? I would be happy with a 7-5 record with that tough out of conference schedule and 1st year in the Pac 12.
SaltyDawg
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It's tough to say who they will lose to before any of these teams have taken the field.
Looking at it 1 week at a time, I think the Utes could win every game. There are some games that should probably be tough, but nothing that should automatically be written off as a loss in July.
I know it will be tough to go week in and week out, so they might lose 2 or 3 games that they could have won if it was the highlight of a MWC schedule.
I'm not buying into this 7-5, middle of the Pac-12 stuff. I think the Utes will challenge for the Pac-12 South from day 1.
I agree the defense was disappointing last season. I have confidence that they have addressed that this season. Whitt is a hard nosed, defensive minded coach. I would be surprised to see 2 consecutive disappointing defensive seasons under his watch.
Chow's offense is really the only question mark I have. Specifically, will Jordan Wynn get enough practice to grasp it and mesh with the team? If not, it could be a long season. But if he does, the Utes could be a whole lot better than people expect.
7StraightIsGreat
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Duck Wrote:
Wrong.
Extremely Wrong
Not as wrong as the first 2, but alas, still wrong.
I'd agree and say a "good" stable of RB's, but IMO nothing that warrants anything more than that unless Josh Quesadilla blows up.
BYU had a glaring weakness at the TE position last season. Saying that they've managed to uprgrade themselves to sevicable without even playing a game yet is a stretch.
Very wrong. Not even the best LB corp within 40 miles. I'd take Utah's line-up of Williams, Chaz Walker and Blechen over BYU's.
Ducky, you've admitted in the past that you almost always tend to be over the top with your BYU predictions. I think you need to take a deep breath and re-post something at least a little more believable.
Wrong.
Extremely Wrong
Not as wrong as the first 2, but alas, still wrong.
I'd agree and say a "good" stable of RB's, but IMO nothing that warrants anything more than that unless Josh Quesadilla blows up.
BYU had a glaring weakness at the TE position last season. Saying that they've managed to uprgrade themselves to sevicable without even playing a game yet is a stretch.
Very wrong. Not even the best LB corp within 40 miles. I'd take Utah's line-up of Williams, Chaz Walker and Blechen over BYU's.
Ducky, you've admitted in the past that you almost always tend to be over the top with your BYU predictions. I think you need to take a deep breath and re-post something at least a little more believable.
7StraightIsGreat
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Thriller Wrote:
You've made a few statements about Chow and how his hiring came about 20 years too late for Utah. While I agree that Chow doesn't bring the innovation that he once did, I do think he's a great hire for Utah for a few reasons.
-QB recruiting. When it comes to recruiting QB's (especially on the West Coast), Norm's name still carries a considerable amount of cache. Utah will now be able to go into a 5-star QB's living room armed with the Pac 12 brand and Norm Chow in their corner. Those are 2 things that Utah's never had before and the haters can say what they want, it's going to be a very big deal. There's no way it doesn't reap dividends for Utah.
-Offensive recruiting as a whole. Even though Norm's offense hasn't been considered innovative since the BYU days (defenses eventually catch up to all offensive systems), Chow is still a name that is going to draw interest from alot of blue chip offensive recruits. Thriller, you said all of the numbers Chow put up at USC could have been achieved by almost anybody. While I don't agree entirely with that statement, it doesn't really matter. It's still on his resume and that's how recruits are going to look at it.
-I don't think he's as bad of an OC as you say. When he was with the Titans, Vince Young actually started to look like a starting NFL QB. The Titans offense didn't put up great numbers, but Vince Young looked worse and worse after Chow left. He wasn't great in his last stop at UCLA, but he was coaching with an offensive-minded HC who was putting his fingers in the pie as well. While I do think Chow has lost a lot of his zip, I do think his best way to get the most out of Chow is let him work for a Defensive minded HC so Norm can be allowed to do his thing on offense.
You've made a few statements about Chow and how his hiring came about 20 years too late for Utah. While I agree that Chow doesn't bring the innovation that he once did, I do think he's a great hire for Utah for a few reasons.
-QB recruiting. When it comes to recruiting QB's (especially on the West Coast), Norm's name still carries a considerable amount of cache. Utah will now be able to go into a 5-star QB's living room armed with the Pac 12 brand and Norm Chow in their corner. Those are 2 things that Utah's never had before and the haters can say what they want, it's going to be a very big deal. There's no way it doesn't reap dividends for Utah.
-Offensive recruiting as a whole. Even though Norm's offense hasn't been considered innovative since the BYU days (defenses eventually catch up to all offensive systems), Chow is still a name that is going to draw interest from alot of blue chip offensive recruits. Thriller, you said all of the numbers Chow put up at USC could have been achieved by almost anybody. While I don't agree entirely with that statement, it doesn't really matter. It's still on his resume and that's how recruits are going to look at it.
-I don't think he's as bad of an OC as you say. When he was with the Titans, Vince Young actually started to look like a starting NFL QB. The Titans offense didn't put up great numbers, but Vince Young looked worse and worse after Chow left. He wasn't great in his last stop at UCLA, but he was coaching with an offensive-minded HC who was putting his fingers in the pie as well. While I do think Chow has lost a lot of his zip, I do think his best way to get the most out of Chow is let him work for a Defensive minded HC so Norm can be allowed to do his thing on offense.
Even with the loss of Jimmer, I say BYU will have a better record.
The WCC will be much easier of a schedule from top to bottom, and it will be the Utes first year with the new bobblehead and system to go along with good players taking the first greyhound anywhere.
Even with Hartsock as a key cog on the team, I say BYU has the better record and gets 25 wins.
The WCC will be much easier of a schedule from top to bottom, and it will be the Utes first year with the new bobblehead and system to go along with good players taking the first greyhound anywhere.
Even with Hartsock as a key cog on the team, I say BYU has the better record and gets 25 wins.
7StraightIsGreat
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Fall camp starts today!
Official In-State Predictions for 2011:
Utah: 8-4 and a Holiday Bowl birth.
BYU: 9-3 and obviously a trip to the Armed Forces Bowl.
Utah St: 7-5, yes the Aggies are going BOWLING!
With Auburn's personnel losses from the national title team, I'm almost tempted to call a Utah State upset in Week 1. The Aggies get their best WR and RB back from season ending injuries last offseason and Gary Anderson had the Ag's on the verge of an upset @ Oklahoma last year.
Official In-State Predictions for 2011:
Utah: 8-4 and a Holiday Bowl birth.
BYU: 9-3 and obviously a trip to the Armed Forces Bowl.
Utah St: 7-5, yes the Aggies are going BOWLING!
With Auburn's personnel losses from the national title team, I'm almost tempted to call a Utah State upset in Week 1. The Aggies get their best WR and RB back from season ending injuries last offseason and Gary Anderson had the Ag's on the verge of an upset @ Oklahoma last year.