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CP3 and Deron were interchangeable as far as draft potential across all the boards. Some had Deron higher because of his size, while others had CP3 because he was a touch faster. Deron became a three time all-star (granted, two were with BKL) and 2x all-nba player. Dude was good when he gave a damn. Again, I don't knock the organization for drafting Luther or Ortiz or Borchardt. Stuff happens that we can't control. But a mistake is, by definition, an incorrect action. As such, those were mistakes. It happens.
A mistake is an incorrect action, so picking up a bottle of orange juice when you meant to pick up a bottle of milk is a mistake. But if you actually pick up the milk and open it and it turns out to be orange juice isn't a mistake on your part. It's an unfortunate event. Even if you knew there was, say, a 30% chance that bottle would contain something other than milk it still isn't a mistake. You played the odds, it was a good guess. But not a mistake. That's the problem with these kinds is discussions, it is not black and white. So I don't think any of those last ones mentioned were mistakes. They were, unfortunately, something other than milk.
 
A mistake is an incorrect action, so picking up a bottle of orange juice when you meant to pick up a bottle of milk is a mistake. But if you actually pick up the milk and open it and it turns out to be orange juice isn't a mistake on your part. It's an unfortunate event. Even if you knew there was, say, a 30% chance that bottle would contain something other than milk it still isn't a mistake. You played the odds, it was a good guess. But not a mistake. That's the problem with these kinds is discussions, it is not black and white. So I don't think any of those last ones mentioned were mistakes. They were, unfortunately, something other than milk.
Semantics. There are all kinds of "mistakes." The example you give is one. A "poor choice" that produces an outcome that the actor did not intend is another type of mistake. See, e.g., Merriam Webster, Oxford, and Cambridge: "an action or decision that is wrong or produces a result that is not correct or not intended."

My wife and I go to a restaurant. We are torn on what to order: I order the short ribs, she orders the black cod. Both look like good options; I'm honestly not sure which one is going to be better. Turns out my short ribs are overcooked, dry, and one-note while her black cod melts in my mouth like butter while my taste buds explode in a simultaneous orgasm. She made the better choice. Did I make a mistake? Depends on how you define it. Poor choice. Yes. Was that poor choice a "mistake?" Absolutely. I certainly desired a better experience with my meal and would have had that experience had I not chosen poorly.

Same scenario with a twist: My wife and I walk into that same restaurant having done our research. Both friends and critics alike agree that the black cod is one of the best seafood dishes any of them has ever had. But I don't feel like seafood. I want something heartier, so I still choose the short ribs because that's what I feel like that night. I think it probably will suit my palate better. But I was wrong. I made a mistake by not listening to the experts.

Twenty/twenty hindsight teaches us that the Jazz made a terrible mistake drafting DWill instead of CP3 no matter how you characterize it -- exacerbated by the fact that most experts agreed that CP3 was the better choice.

As for the semantics debate we seem to be having, I chose to characterize DWill as "arguably the biggest draft mistake in Jazz history" in my OP, but could have easily said he was "arguably the poorest choice of any draft pick in Jazz history." Either way, I stand by my post.
 
Two major factual errors here: Wright was not a lottery pick and was not booted off the team for coming to practice high on coke. He was the 18th pick of the 1993 draft (not lottery) and was diagnosed with bipolar disorder AFTER he was already drafted.
Pretty sure that Wright was attacked by a grizzly bear out by the Tree of Life.
 
LOL No. His mom cried when she heard he got drafted by Utah because she was positive that he was going to be attacked by a bear. The Tree of Life, I believe, is close to where he was found smashing car windows after his first mental break. I've heard rumors that he was naked but have never seen this substantiated.

As an aside, the Jazz agreed to pay Wright $153,000K a year for 25 years after he left the team.
 
5. Wilkins. The Jazz had no choice. Dominique refused to report to the Jazz and said he would rather sit out an entire year than ever sign with the Jazz. Dominique forced that trade and there was really nothing the Jazz could do about it.
I could be off, but I thought ai remembered the trade or Dominique for cash as a deal to save the Jazz and that if they didn’t get the cash they were done. 3 Mil or some such number. If not for that trade, no Jazz. I’d call that a successful trade because of necessity.
 
Semantics. There are all kinds of "mistakes." The example you give is one. A "poor choice" that produces an outcome that the actor did not intend is another type of mistake. See, e.g., Merriam Webster, Oxford, and Cambridge: "an action or decision that is wrong or produces a result that is not correct or not intended."

My wife and I go to a restaurant. We are torn on what to order: I order the short ribs, she orders the black cod. Both look like good options; I'm honestly not sure which one is going to be better. Turns out my short ribs are overcooked, dry, and one-note while her black cod melts in my mouth like butter while my taste buds explode in a simultaneous orgasm. She made the better choice. Did I make a mistake? Depends on how you define it. Poor choice. Yes. Was that poor choice a "mistake?" Absolutely. I certainly desired a better experience with my meal and would have had that experience had I not chosen poorly.

Same scenario with a twist: My wife and I walk into that same restaurant having done our research. Both friends and critics alike agree that the black cod is one of the best seafood dishes any of them has ever had. But I don't feel like seafood. I want something heartier, so I still choose the short ribs because that's what I feel like that night. I think it probably will suit my palate better. But I was wrong. I made a mistake by not listening to the experts.

Twenty/twenty hindsight teaches us that the Jazz made a terrible mistake drafting DWill instead of CP3 no matter how you characterize it -- exacerbated by the fact that most experts agreed that CP3 was the better choice.

As for the semantics debate we seem to be having, I chose to characterize DWill as "arguably the biggest draft mistake in Jazz history" in my OP, but could have easily said he was "arguably the poorest choice of any draft pick in Jazz history." Either way, I stand by my post.
I never argued the dwill draft choice. I listed that among my top mistakes. The ones I do not view as mistakes are ones like wright, taken later in the draft and didn't pan out. Isn't really a mistake, it just didn't work out.

By the way, never get the short ribs. No one does them right.
 
I could be off, but I thought ai remembered the trade or Dominique for cash as a deal to save the Jazz and that if they didn’t get the cash they were done. 3 Mil or some such number. If not for that trade, no Jazz. I’d call that a successful trade because of necessity.
That was definitely not the case. The Jazz got $1M plus John "the Drugslinger" Drew and Freeman Williams. Then-owner Sam Battistone was reportedly cash-strapped, but the word in the press was that the trade occurred ONLY because Dominique refused to report and demanded the trade.
 
By the way, never get the short ribs. No one does them right.
I'm not eating much red meat, but I have definitely had some DELICIOUS short ribs over the years. Love the ones marbled with fat, moist, and falling off the bone with a potato, sunchoke, or celeriac puree.

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BTW, why do so many people HATE the word "moist?" Something to think about . . . .
 
I'm not eating much red meat, but I have definitely had some DELICIOUS short ribs over the years. Love the ones marbled with fat, moist, and falling off the bone with a potato, sunchoke, or celeriac puree.

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BTW, why do so many people HATE the word "moist?" Something to think about . . . .
Don't say that word.
 
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