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Why do we play so slow?

The Thriller

The Thriller

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Serious question. Why aren't we forcing the ball up the court and trying to play more up-tempo? It seems to me that we aren't built to really run an half court offense. We don't have the shooters, post players, or PG to run a real effective half court offense. With the players that we have, we might be better suited to play more like GS or PHX and try and score more in the fast break. Devin Harris for example, is a complete wreck in the half court. However, his speed can cause problems in the break.
 
I honestly don't know. Speed should be an asset of this team but clearly isn't. They need to keep playing Jefferson his minutes so that he retains his value. Then we unload him and hopefully get something halfway decent in return.
 
-Jazz have a problem turning the ball over and their veterans' skillsets don't match up well.
-Harris isn't much of a pure point.
-Jazz aren't forcing turnovers.
-There are too many players in the rotation for players to get a feel for each other.
-There hasn't been enough time for players to get a feel for each other.
-Our leading rebounders are also the two youngest players on the team. They're not fast to outlet. They're protecting against mistakes.
-The whole team is not playing loose, they're playing to not make mistakes. Transition play requires comfort.
-Jazz aren't getting a lot of stops in a decisive way.
 
Coach Corbin said he was trying to get the guys to run more in LA, but they wouldn't. Tonight the game plan was to slow down Denver. But it would seem that it would be a good way to get some quick baskets for the young players. Hayward would do great in the open floor.

I wonder if it has something to do with lumbering Al, and the antique Bell. 3 on 5 breaks don;t work. Does Favors run the floor?

Early Karl Malone Jazz ran what is sometimes called a secondary break where Karl would run down the lane and if the defender didn't pick him up at the fould line the pass went in and Karl plowed his way to the basket. If the defender picked him up it at the foul line then it made Karls job of posting up all the easier. This simple look worked even if all 5 defenders were back, and if it wasn't there it made the offense easier.

Are the Jazz at the bottom of Def rebounding again this year? They can't run if the other team keeps getting the ball after every miss.
 
NUMBERICA said:
-Jazz have a problem turning the ball over and their veterans' skillsets don't match up well.
-Harris isn't much of a pure point.
-Jazz aren't forcing turnovers.
-There are too many players in the rotation for players to get a feel for each other.
-There hasn't been enough time for players to get a feel for each other.
-Our leading rebounders are also the two youngest players on the team. They're not fast to outlet. They're protecting against mistakes.
-The whole team is not playing loose, they're playing to not make mistakes. Transition play requires comfort.
-Jazz aren't getting a lot of stops in a decisive way.
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It feels like Corbin is still treating the games like we are still in the preseason with the rotations. Hopefully it's not a year long thing and we chisel the amount of players we give minutes to down to 9 instead of 11-12.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
It feels like Corbin is still treating the games like we are still in the preseason with the rotations. Hopefully it's not a year long thing and we chisel the amount of players we give minutes to down to 9 instead of 11-12.
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Whose minutes would you cut honestly? Got to give mins to Evans who is a great energy guy and Burks showed he deserves more minutes. Tinsley has outplayed Watson so far and Harris, but you cant bench Harris and its too small of a sample size. Kanter has been a beast on the boards and that alone deserves minutes. Howard has played pretty well and at least shows that he cares. I may be one of the few Miles supporters and think he deserves some back up mins.
 
Because Corbin wants to try and replace Sloan and do what Sloan did for years but can't do it because he is not Sloan...

Honestly though, lets play up tempo (we have the young legs for it) and get some energy going during these games.
 
This is the problem. Most the team is fast break but most of the bigs can't run the court

Fast break- Harris, Burks, Miles, Hayward, Favors, Watson, Evans, Howard
Half court- Jefferson, Kanter, Millsap, Bell, Tinsley
 
Different take: the Jazz are slow because things are not coming naturally to them, so they have to think, to hesitate and figure out what they are supposed to do.

What about Al? He was on the team all last year? This: Al is likely trying to change his game like he was supposed to, try to pass more, and move more. Unfortunately, because of this, he is thinking too, not reacting.

CJ is still CJ, talented but random. Bell is just a hustle player, always has been, Earl Watson is average at best, and everyone else is either a rookie/sophmore, or wasn't on the team until more than half way through last season, and thus doesn't know the offence well enough. Oh, Millsap, he can't do it by himself, now can he?
 
Jerry's regimented rules were based on ' the long haul' to get the team ready for the end of the season. Play the team d, run the plays on o, etc. In doing so, the team would toe the line and that produced competitve teams, into the playoffs. Tonight, Denver played some pick-up ball running and gunning. The Jazz were trying to get into the sets and they are just not ready for them. A combo of lock-out shortened pre-season/training camp, lack of leaders on the team, new coach who doesn't yet know who he is, a lot of youngsters, and a couple of mis-matched pieces, all leads to some serious chaos.

So Ty does believe in "the system" i'm betting, which by the book of Sloan says to just brute force your way into it from day 1. But it is so much easier just to run 'n gun to get some insta-competitiveness at least...

I think this has to be the worst of situations for Corbin. Add in someone's theory about his role as the nice guy assistant coach to Sloan's curmudgeon ways and it appears that pretty much every facet of this situation is messed up.
- Give the young guys time to develop - this 12 man roation sucks
- Give the young guys time to develop - it only takes one guy to not know the offense to screw it up
- Get AJ the dang ball - man, he's a black hole
- Get AJ the dang ball, up his trade value - everybody else stands when this happens.
- Get Favors more time - he fouls at an alarming rate
- Run the 1-4 set - Harris is no good at that
- pick up the pace, more running - we need to learn the offense (I don't think i've seen one single pass to the 'curl guy')
- find some on-court leadership - Bell sucks
- run the offense - anybody here know the offense? (when has there been this much turn-over in Jazz land in two years?)
- push 'em baseline - ya, that'll make a difference, when everyone runs it.


Actually, the fact is the Jazz suck at the moment. No one answer is the answer. Ty will just have to pick some battles and win them and move on to the next. Can't win them all simultaneously.
 
Not having a point guard kills us. Unless Harris turns it on, and somehow goes back to his form from a few years ago, we won't win many games. Anytime we forced a rare stop or turnover last night, Harris or Watson turned it right back over or missed a shot going the other way. That's inexcusable.

We need a PG like Ty Lawson.
 
We are going to be battling for a top 5 pick if we don't pick up the pace a little. Our half-court offense is terrible. Does anyone on our team know how to set an off-ball screen? I feel like they are just walking through the motions and not actually impeding the defenders progress. That's what the Flex is all about right? Cutters, motion, quick passing, backdoor cuts, etc. This leads to no one getting open and someone just jacking up a deep two.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
We are going to be battling for a top 5 pick if we don't pick up the pace a little. Our half-court offense is terrible. Does anyone on our team know how to set an off-ball screen? I feel like they are just walking through the motions and not actually impeding the defenders progress. That's what the Flex is all about right? Cutters, motion, quick passing, backdoor cuts, etc. This leads to no one getting open and someone just jacking up a deep two.
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I don't think so....

Didn't we trade our pick away?

Thought we did...
 
We have our pick if we make the lottery. It is Minnesota's but it has protection. So losing let's us keep it.
Several reasons why the Jazz don't run: You have to get the rebound, too many turnovers, getting stops, PG who walks the ball up and some big men who are slow and laziness.

The lack of effort by many of the players is the most troublesome issue with the team. The guys don't even look like they care or think they can win.
 
Watching the game last night the biggest problem was defense. Say what you will about turnovers playing slow or what ever. You can't be a good team if you can't get stops. The jazz have always had turnover problems, and as bad as the defense has been over the last few years, yesterday was worse.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Watching the game last night the biggest problem was defense. Say what you will about turnovers playing slow or what ever. You can't be a good team if you can't get stops. The jazz have always had turnover problems, and as bad as the defense has been over the last few years, yesterday was worse.
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And don't just blame Al or Harris or bell for the bad defense, because there defense was a total team effort or lack there of. I'm also speaking of Hayward Favors Watson and yes Millsap too. They were no better then the rest.
 
I would say favors didn't play enough to say he was bad defensively. And Nene didn't do much when favors was in the game.
 
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