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Why Don't the Jazz Sign Better Players to be a Better Team?

I think they should never take the easy way in life. Instead they should sign only d league guys and win the championship
 
Sexual Favors said:
Yeah, why didn't the Jazz sign Lebron and Love, and Bosh, etc this year? Stupid Jazz. I mean, they were free agents.

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Love was not a free agent this year. Also, there is a huge segment of players you are ignoring that fall in-between what the Jazz have and LeBron James--which could have been brought to Utah. Heck, some of which were already in Utah, and the decision was made by mgmt. to let them leave.
 
Jazz Insider said:
Love was not a free agent this year. Also, there is a huge segment of players you are ignoring that fall in-between what the Jazz have and LeBron James--which could have been brought to Utah. Heck, some of which were already in Utah, and the decision was made by mgmt. to let them leave.
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Yeah, what about Kevin Durant? Or even that dirk guy who plays for Texas?
 
Maybe we could have kept Deron at $20M. Or kept Big AL. He's leading Charlotte to the championship this season.
JazzInsider, do you know anything about the cap and luxury tax? You can't keep everyone. Eventually tough decisions have to be made. Even in the Stockton/Malone era, popular and good players were traded to make way for the younger ones.

Sure, Utah could have retained Millsap and DMC. They could have re-signed Foye. Then what?
A team that competes for the 8th seed? We perenially draft 14th or 18th as a result. Jazz have their cap space tied up in Millsap, Hayward and either Kanter or Favors - and a few aging vets. Does Utah ever compete for even homecourt in the 1st round?

Why is Atlanta killing it with Millsap, DMC and Korver? Because they already have Horford and Teague - an all-star and fringe all-star. Take away Horford and what did "Jazz East" do last season? 38-44. What were Teague's stats his first year (compare them to Dante). You might also want to look at DMC's performance as a Jazz player under Sloan/Corbin and then what he was able to do in his 1st season in Atlanta. You know who he credits for improving his game and enabling him to take a leap forward? Not Ty.

At some point, teams have to rebuild. Pick any top team this year and see when their pivotal moments were in building their current roster. Only SA, which has had Duncan, Parker and Ginobili playing together for seemingly forever, seems to have escaped a major rebuild in the recent past.
 
Jazz Insider said:
Love was not a free agent this year. Also, there is a huge segment of players you are ignoring that fall in-between what the Jazz have and LeBron James--which could have been brought to Utah. Heck, some of which were already in Utah, and the decision was made by mgmt. to let them leave.
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This made me flashback to how we let Korver, Millsap, and Carroll all walk for nothing.

Ugh.
 
Jazz need to accumulate more 2nd round picks
 
Catchall said:
Because they're trying to acquire All Star-caliber talent in the draft. That means they have to lose.
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Yeah, but remember 46 years ago when Utah drafted 2 HOFs in the teens? That's bound to happen again any time now. It happened twice, so the odds have to be in our favor, I would think.
 
What I hear from you guys is that the goal of not signing (or keeping) the best available talent is to bottom out and hopefully acquire even better talent via the draft.

Is that about right?

Yet I look at the standings, and watch games all around the league, and note that it does not appear that lines up with the franchise's goals.
Utah currently has the 5th worst record in the NBA. They're a couple games away from having the 10th or so worst record in the NBA. The odds of landing a very high draft pick (Top 3) don't appear to be very high at the moment, especially with other teams (like the 76ers) being way more aggressive with their 'rebuilding.' And in an ideal scenario, if the Jazz somehow do manage to not win very many game going forward (contrasting what we've seen thus far)-- they could very well add another Dante Exum type.


Are we sure the management is actually planning what some of you are assuming? Or are they just inept and cheap?
I'm not telling you anything you don't already know. I'm just emphasizing it. What's the truth? You decide.
 
Catchall said:
Because they're trying to acquire All Star-caliber talent in the draft. That means they have to lose.
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Does it? Or does it mean they just have to draft better?
Who's the reigning Finals MVP? Some would say it's Kawhi Leonard.
Others would say it's the 15th overall pick in the draft that many other teams overlooked, including the Utah Jazz (twice) who had him for the taking (Picked Kanter #3 overall, Picked Burks #12 overall. https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2011.html )
 
I'm not against tanking, BTW. I just know there are more ways of building a championship team than 1.
But 'tanking' seems to be the cheapest route. Especially if the fans continue to $upport the team.
How long will you $upport tanking? How long, until enough is enough. How long, until we #OccupyESA
 
KD's Framily said:
This made me flashback to how we let Korver, Millsap, and Carroll all walk for nothing.

Ugh.
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Why not also add Jefferson to your list? LOL.

Korver: admitted he passed up shots to protect his individual record. Buh-bye to ANYONE who puts himself ahead of the team. He was also an UFA, IINM. So trade him while we're fighting for a playoff spot so Utah can "get something back in return?"

DMC: he was a backup without range. Energetic, but often gambled on defense. Look at his stats with Utah - nothing special. It was only under the tutelage of Quin Snyder that he became a 3PT shooter and legit starter. Not a chance he's the same player had he remained in Utah. Also, don't forget we had Hayward and Burks penciled in as the future starters. Ever think that PERHAPS DMC wanted a chance to earn a starting spot?

Millsap: trade rumor was Millsap and Burks for Bledsoe. That can be argued either way. Jazz decided against it or Phoenix backed out or that was never the real offer (depending on what rumor you believe). Also remember there was an internal struggle between KOC, the Millers and DL. Lindsey wanted a complete rebuild. KOC and the Millers wanted to re-sign Millsap (and in that scenario, likely DMC and maybe Foye). Is that a good situation going forward? Jazz fight for the #8 seed, Ty remains the coach. WE get a late lottery or late teen pick (depending on whether we miss/make the playoffs).

To say we let these players walk "for nothing" is inaccurate and disingenuous. We got cap space instead of expirings or players on bad contracts. DL then flipped that cap space for additional assets. And he was operating under a divided front office. And that has resulted in an extra pick (Hood) and a 2017 pick TBD. It was also a KEY part of the "GM tank." Jazz are drafting in the top-10 for 2 years in a row because DL got rid of vets and some decent backups. Had we kept Millsap or Jefferson, the Jazz likely draft in the 12-14 range or even make the playoffs and draft #18. So someone like McDermott, Ennis or even Hood. I see this as failing to sign Millsap = Exum. No Jefferson/Carroll equals a higher pick this season.
 
DWill was traded to supposedly shorten the rebuilding phase. Favors and Kanter -- what great pieces to accelerate the process!
Add Hayward, Burke, Burks, Exum, etc. etc. etc. This team has had more shots high up in the draft than many other successful teams. Yet the 'rebuild' continues, and the wallet remains closed.
 
It's a win-win for ownership. Cheap out on spending, sell fans on perpetual hope. Player _____ in the draft will save us!
No consequences if the player doesn't. All a part of the plan. Just wait until next year.
If they luck out and hit on the next Kobe/DWill? Awesome-- all a part of the plan!

...Until it comes time to spend, and the $ is not spent--disgruntling the next DWill and restarting the cycle.
 
If you want change, you have to demand it with your wallet and $upport.
As long as they keep getting views, keep getting merch out the door, and keep $elling tix--they'll continue to $ell out.
#OccupyESA
 
Jazz Insider said:
DWill was traded to supposedly shorten the rebuilding phase. Favors and Kanter -- what great pieces to accelerate the process!
Add Hayward, Burke, Burks, Exum, etc. etc. etc. This team has had more shots high up in the draft than many other successful teams. Yet the 'rebuild' continues, and the wallet remains closed.
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Umm, no. The Deron trade did NOT start the rebuild. Still had veterans (Millsap/Jefferson) and brought in more to try to continue to compete for the playoffs. A REBUILDING team does not bring in Foye, Mo Williams and trade Harris for Marvin Williams. Did the "retool" work? Well, if you equate success to making the playoffs, then yes, it was successful. Jazz understandably collapsed right after the Sloan/Williams debacle and missed the playoffs. Next season they made the playoffs. Year after KOC tweaked the roster with vets (Mo, Foye and Marvin for Harris CJ and Bell).

In those three years you claim the Jazz were rebuilding?
2010/11 - 39/43. Year of the Deron trade. Missed the playoffs.
2011/12 - 36-30. Strike-shortened year. Made the playoffs.
2012/13 - 43-39. Missed the playoffs DESPITE having a team anchored by veterans (Millsap, Jefferson, Foye, Mo, etc.).

2013/14. FIRST year of true rebuild. Only significant vets are RJ and Marvin.


Feel free to vote with your wallet, JazzInsider. AS for the Millers and DL they are voting with theirs by signing new contracts for Favors, Hayward and Burks and indicating they want to keep Kanter. They've committed to a couple of years of losing in order to build a foundation for the next decade. Will it work? Not sure. But I do know getting swept - BADLY - in the first round wasn't the way to go.
 
You make my point, sir. Just because they made the playoffs does not mean they were not rebuilding. That is your assumption. It appears they were just rebuilding poorly. Most without tinted glasses would consider trading away of a franchise player (DW) for young talent and firing (err separating) from a guy like Sloan as the start of a rebuild.
Just like now, when they are 'rebuilding', and aren't exactly positioned to get a Top 3 pick. And could end up with a mid lottery pick.
If they are rebuilding, they're not good at it. If they're not rebuilding ... ****.
 
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