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Why I think Hayward stays

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Jazz are improving. Every big star that has left their team was tired because they had hit a ceiling of some kind. KD felt the Thunder weren't getting better. Lebron left Cleveland because the Cavs weren't getting better. When other all stars had left it was usually because they felt under appreciated or they had hit a ceiling(Lamarcus Aldridge and Al Horford).

I just can't think of a guy who left where there was so much promise and who was so appreciated. Of course if George Hill leaves and Shelvin Mack is our starting PG, if I am Gordon Hayward, I'm out.
 
Why I think he stays....I just arrived in Miami, what a miserable humid hot place. Robbin and the kids are gonna come down in July and be moist. If FA was in January, advantage Miami, but come July advantage jazz.
 
Can anyone see Hayward with the Cavs?? They are becoming my biggest concern as far as making a play for Hayward. I think the domination by the Warriors is ruling out the Celtics primarily because they are so far off the Cavs who look to be so far off the Warriors.

To date our boys have played GS the best, while injured and fatigued...
 
I also think if we can keep Hayward and Gobert together and GS maintain this level of dominance over the competition we will have All-star caliber free agents looking at Utah as a legitimate destination for years to come. Those guys want rings and the ability to compete and with the unlevel playing field they are currently presented with Utah will offer as greater opportunity as anywhere.
 
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Why I think Hayward stays: $$
 
elan_prodigy said:
Can anyone see Hayward with the Cavs?? They are becoming my biggest concern as far as making a play for Hayward.
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They can only offer him the taxpayer midlevel exception. 5 million dollars a year. Hayward is 27. At the peak of his career. He's going to give up what will likely be the most profitable contract of his career to go play for 5 mill a year? No LOL.
 
SCS said:
They can only offer him the taxpayer midlevel exception. 5 million dollars a year. Hayward is 27. At the peak of his career. He's going to give up what will likely be the most profitable contract of his career to go play for 5 mill a year? No LOL.
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I was thinking more of a K.Love OUT, G.Hayward IN type scenario...
 
elan_prodigy said:
I was thinking more of a K.Love OUT, G.Hayward IN type scenario...
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If they trade Love and take no contracts back they would still be around 3 million over the cap. They could renounce all of their cap holds and non guaranteed contracts after that and open up maybe 15 million in cap room. I still don't see it happening. First it would be hard for them to find a team to take Love without taking a contract back. Second I don't see Hayward taking that pay cut. And third there is no guarantee the Cavs would win anything or get better with that move so I doubt they would even try it.
 
Lol.

KD was up 3-1 on the warriors before blowing that lead and then pulling a Benedict Arnold. Utah is not in a better position than he was.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
Lol.

KD was up 3-1 on the warriors before blowing that lead and then pulling a Benedict Arnold. Utah is not in a better position than he was.
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Maybe. But Utah hasn't hit it's ceiling yet. OKC had hit their's when KD left. The went to finals then never went back. They had lost Harden. They weren't going to get better. Utah still can.
 
Hayward wasn't always well received. The fans booed him when he was drafted. Ty Corbin benched him. The FO didn't believe in him enough to meet his extension demands. He signed an offer sheet that many, if not most, wanted the Jazz to avoid matching. When the Jazz did match people called him overpaid. He's proven the Jazz coaches, FO, and fans wrong by improving every single season. People still don't think he's good enough for their liking and he will surely receive a ton of heat for signing a large contract if he does resign.

The fan support was great near the end of the season, but this is far away from a "we were with you from the start" pitch. The man who was really with Hayward from the start is the coach for the Boston Celtics.
 
BackHander said:
Maybe. But Utah hasn't hit it's ceiling yet. OKC had hit their's when KD left. The went to finals then never went back. They had lost Harden. They weren't going to get better. Utah still can.
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You can't get any closer to a ring without winning it. When you're up 3-1 on the team that just set an NBA record for wins, you're right where you wanna be. At that point, it involves an incredible amount of luck for whoever wins it all.

Their ceiling at that point was being a championship team. If Utah where that close to a championship, Hayward wouldn't be going anywhere, nor would 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of all other NBA players.

What Durant did took a complete lack of pride in himself as a player, which is rare among top athletes.
 
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Cappy_Smurf said:
You can't get any closer to a ring without winning it. When you're up 3-1 on the team that just set an NBA record for wins, you're right where you wanna be. At that point, it involves an incredible amount of luck for whoever wins it all.

Their ceiling at that point was being a championship team. If Utah where that close to a championship, Hayward would be going anywhere, nor would 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of all other NBA players.

What Durant did took a complete lack of pride in himself as a player, which is rare among top athletes.
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That or he seriously hated Westbrook.
 
KqWIN said:
Hayward wasn't always well received. The fans booed him when he was drafted. Ty Corbin benched him. The FO didn't believe in him enough to meet his extension demands. He signed an offer sheet that many, if not most, wanted the Jazz to avoid matching. When the Jazz did match people called him overpaid. He's proven the Jazz coaches, FO, and fans wrong by improving every single season. People still don't think he's good enough for their liking and he will surely receive a ton of heat for signing a large contract if he does resign.

The fan support was great near the end of the season, but this is far away from a "we were with you from the start" pitch. The man who was really with Hayward from the start is the coach for the Boston Celtics.
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he had a pretty poor year in that contract year. I don't think it was a given that he was a max player then by any means.

And now i doubt anyone is going to think he's not good enough for the contract he signs after the way he played in the playoffs.
 
DownUnder said:
he had a pretty poor year in that contract year. I don't think it was a given that he was a max player then by any means.

And now i doubt anyone is going to think he's not good enough for the contract he signs after the way he played in the playoffs.
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The decision to not extend him was either horrific foresight by the FO or a great deal of disrespect to Hayward. Neither was a great look. They knew the cap was going to jump, it was going to be a discount deal not matter what Hayward demanded. They avoided disaster by matching, but the fans were still very harsh. Regardless of whether or not their concerns were valid, he proved them wrong. He believed in himself and I don't think he ever thinks to himself, "they had a point".
 
gregbroncs said:
That or he seriously hated Westbrook.
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If that was the real reason, he had other options than jumping aboard a team that just won 73 games. He could have asked for a trade so that OKC wouldn't lose him for nothing, or he could have gone to SA or Boston.

Durant wanted a guaranteed championship without having to work for it.
 
KqWIN said:
The decision to not extend him was either horrific foresight by the FO or a great deal of disrespect to Hayward. Neither was a great look. They knew the cap was going to jump, it was going to be a discount deal not matter what Hayward demanded. They avoided disaster by matching, but the fans were still very harsh. Regardless of whether or not their concerns were valid, he proved them wrong. He believed in himself and I don't think he ever thinks to himself, "they had a point".
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No it wasn't. Knowing what they knew then, they made the right choice, and things just didn't work out. Considering the year Hayward had leading up to his RFA, matching his contract could have easily been a mistake.

If Favors had held out, he likely would have been maxed as well, in which case we'd all be bitching about paying him too much.

Everyone is an expert with hindsight, and fans have unrealistic expectations for GMs to get everything right 100% of the time.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
No it wasn't. Knowing what they knew then, they made the right choice, and things just didn't work out. Considering the year Hayward had leading up to his RFA, matching his contract could have easily been a mistake.

If Favors had held out, he likely would have been maxed as well, in which case we'd all be bitching about paying him too much.

Everyone is an expert with hindsight, and fans have unrealistic expectations for GMs to get everything right 100% of the time.
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I'm sorry, but the hindsight thing doesn't apply here. It was very easy to see coming. They knew the current TV deal was expiring, and they knew the cap was going to eventually go up. They had all the knowledge they needed to know that the cap was going up. It's their job to know what will happen to the salary cap.

They were a few months too late on realizing that it didn't matter how much they paid Hayward. The offer sheet was not matched because he had a great season, it was matched because it was nearly impossible for him to be overpaid because the cap would rise during his deal.

Either way, it doesn't matter why they didn't think he was good enough, all that matters is that they did. Same goes with the fans. They doubted him from the moment he was drafted.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
If that was the real reason, he had other options than jumping aboard a team that just won 73 games. He could have asked for a trade so that OKC wouldn't lose him for nothing, or he could have gone to SA or Boston.

Durant wanted a guaranteed championship without having to work for it.
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I agree with this post and hate what durant did...... having said that, he is carrying the team/playing better than any one else on their team so I give him credit for that at least rather than riding coattails.
 
KqWIN said:
I'm sorry, but the hindsight thing doesn't apply here. It was very easy to see coming. They knew the current TV deal was expiring, and they knew the cap was going to eventually go up. They had all the knowledge they needed to know that the cap was going up. It's their job to know what will happen to the salary cap.

They were a few months too late on realizing that it didn't matter how much they paid Hayward. The offer sheet was not matched because he had a great season, it was matched because it was nearly impossible for him to be overpaid because the cap would rise during his deal.

Either way, it doesn't matter why they didn't think he was good enough, all that matters is that they did. Same goes with the fans. They doubted him from the moment he was drafted.
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Imo salary cap rising doesn't mean you should automatically max guys who didn't play like max players.
 
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