Why the democratic party is in trouble

[AlaskanAssassin]

I strongly prefer discussions with AlaskanAssassin/colton/Jazz Spazz/Jason, for example, to left-wing loonies.

I went to dinner recently with some work people and the conversation turned political. I typically refrain from talking about politics at work, but I did say that I don't think the government should have the power to tell two consenting adults that they can't get married, or to bail out insolvent banks (as examples showing that government is too large and powerful). The person proceeded to call me a "left-wing loonie".

I guess I'm so far right I'm left.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

I went to dinner recently with some work people and the conversation turned political. I typically refrain from talking about politics at work, but I did say that I don't think the government should have the power to tell two consenting adults that they can't get married, or to bail out insolvent banks (as examples showing that government is too large and powerful). The person proceeded to call me a "left-wing loonie".

I guess I'm so far right I'm left.

You can support bailing out a failing banking system and regulating the hell out of them from a "right wing" perspective while still holding onto those invisible hand preferences. I do.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

Divisive? The last 4 presidents have all stumped about the fact that we have major issues at the border and need to beef up security and deterrent measures to stymie that. As our old buddy Obama said, we cannot allow unchecked, undocumented people to pour in without properly vetting first.

Both parties want the issue to remain divisive. How would politicians run a campaign without having things that appear to be endlessly broken and in need of their fixing?

FWIW, I believe the Democrats have been full of **** for 30 years. They want open borders but are now just showing their true desire. They knew they could drag feet and lie long enough that it becomes more acceptable.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

FWIW, I believe the Democrats have been full of **** for 30 years. They want open borders but are now just showing their true desire. They knew they could drag feet and lie long enough that it becomes more acceptable.

I actually think Obama 100% meant what he said back in 2005:
“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully to become immigrants in this country.”

At the time, this seemed non-controversial and had (probably) almost universal agreement. I have no idea what changed.

 

[Stoked]

I actually think Obama 100% meant what he said back in 2005:
“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully to become immigrants in this country.”

At the time, this seemed non-controversial and had (probably) almost universal agreement. I have no idea what changed.

Really? You have no idea? I can give you three things off the top of my head.

1. Rise in Latino population
2. Political expediency
3. Trump is nothing like Obama, taking one quote by Obama and using that push back on Trumps history of noise on the issue is a bad look.

 

[Gameface]

I actually think Obama 100% meant what he said back in 2005:
“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully to become immigrants in this country.”

At the time, this seemed non-controversial and had (probably) almost universal agreement. I have no idea what changed.

Here's what changed...

Trump basking in chants of "Build the Wall! Build the Wall! Build the Wall!" While saying extraordinary offensive things about people coming across our southern border. Like that they are the worst those countries have to offer, they are the rapists, drug dealers, murderers, and maybe possible a few of them are nice people.

He turned border security into something not really about having an orderly process for allowing people in, but about keeping latinos out because they will come here and rape our women, get our kids hooked on drugs, murder you in the streets and infest our cities with MS13 gang members.

Oh he's not racist. But man, racists sure do love the **** out of his message. For some crazy reason the things he says really resonate with actual racists. It really gets them energized and feeling legitimized. So much so that they start telling people speaking Spanish in public that we speak English here, if you want to speak Spanish then go back where you came from (unclear if they meant go and then come back, so it's hard to know if they're being racist when they say that).

That's what changed.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

I actually think Obama 100% meant what he said back in 2005:
“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully to become immigrants in this country.”

At the time, this seemed non-controversial and had (probably) almost universal agreement. I have no idea what changed.

He probably did, considering his executive actions. Either way, Democrats running for president or not wanting to adversely effect the party nationwide in the past have had to take against illegal immigration whether they wanted to or not. I'm no longer sure that's the case and true colors can be shown.

 

[DasJazz]

Both parties want the issue to remain divisive. How would politicians run a campaign without having things that appear to be endlessly broken and in need of their fixing?

FWIW, I believe the Democrats have been full of **** for 30 years. They want open borders but are now just showing their true desire. They knew they could drag feet and lie long enough that it becomes more acceptable.

Fair enough. I can't dispute any of that at all and I agree with you.

 

[jazzrule]

Also, just like the great republican demise under Obama, this current D “demise” is fake news. They’re doing fine.

Shouldn’t we want a battle of ideas so the cream rises to the top? Down with toeing party lines.

I agree lets debate democratic socialism with republican American exceptionalism.

 

[jazzrule]

I want to allow A LOT MORE people in legally and I want the wait to be hours, not days, not weeks. And I think if you do that you don't need any more border security, I think you need much much less.

You think people can be vetted in hours. You sir are exceptional with your thinking.

 

[jazzrule]

If Republicans wanted a wall* they would have built one when they had full control. They want a divisive issue to stump on.

*wall being symbolic of fixing the entire border issue.

Trump wanted the wall. Ryan lied to him and said they would get it for him later.

 

[jazzrule]

That's the second time he's recommended ****ing yahoo comments lmao. This dude can not be for real.

You don't like to hear what God fearing americans think about Yahoo liberal trash they publish from the likes of Huffpost. Oh, I forgot you liberals only want to hear those that agree with you.