Why the Hell Isn't Rudy in the Starting Lineup?

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Am I the only one who trusts Favors' jumper more than Kanter's right now?

I have never understood the hype about kanters poor jumper. Favors is a better player.

Hack, do you really believe our defensive issues lie with Kanter?

If you did the research, you would see unequivocally that it is with our perimeter players. It is crazy to me that your eyes don't show you this.

You should do a search for the thread "Jazz Defense Uncoded"


Oh, and Kanter has been sat many-a-times for missing his defensive assignment, what Jazz team have you been watching? Did you not see a single game last year? What about the start of this season?

Yes, our perimeter defense is horrible, but kanter does not help cover that up. Rudy does. Kanter sucks on defense. We need better defensive players starting, not worse ones. Kanter might be a starter, but on the current jazz team, he appears to be the odd man out of the starting lineup.

 

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When you have one weak link it makes everyone look bad. The defensive system collapses.

When you have a great interior defender it can make a world of difference. It helps the wing defenders out. In the modern NBA it's too hard to stay in front of your man. You need help behind you. Kanter isn't that. He's a 6"10 slug who puts the fear into nobody. It changes the dynamic of everything.

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Am I the only one who trusts Favors' jumper more than Kanter's right now?

 

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Sloan would let them keep the starting job for s little while after injury, but if the bench guy clearly earned it, he would get it. I think that is quins philosophy as well. Gobert will start sooner or later.

That's just incorrect.

Millsap was a far better defender than Boozer, along with being a better overall player, but he never got to start over Boozer. I shouldn't have to rehash this argument. It's been proven over time that Millsap has always been the better player. Boozer on other teams can't even get into the starting line up. Sloan refused to see this. Maybe it wasn't Sloan though. I have no idea at this point. It's still going on after the Sloan era.

I was saying all of this back then and I knew I was right. I know I'm right with Kanter and Gobert too. The Jazz are making a mistake with this situation. Time will prove it. It's really dumb that we even have to argue about this.

 

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A little thing called offense. It's that part of the game that is concerned with making the ball go through the hoop. You see, in basketball, you get points for making the ball go in the hoop, and while stopping the other team is extremely useful, it is utterly pointless if you yourself can't put the ball in the hole afterwards. Hence our whopping score vs the Spurs when Rudy played 30 mins and Kanter had an off night and only played 22.

If Kanter were some elite scorer I'd get this theory. He's not. And he's a sieve on defense. And he doesn't pass the ball. And he doesn't make anyone around him better.

So golly gee, he can put the ball in the little bitty round hole every now and then, but so can the guys he guards. And they seem to do it a lot more than him. You see, in basketball if a team puts the ball in the little round hole more than you do, they win the game. Which teams have been doing more and more with Kanter starting in the lineup.

 

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That's just incorrect.

Millsap was a far better defender than Boozer, along with being a better overall player, but he never got to start over Boozer. I shouldn't have to rehash this argument. It's been proven over time that Millsap has always been the better player. Boozer on other teams can't even get into the starting line up. Sloan refused to see this. Maybe it wasn't Sloan though. I have no idea at this point. It's still going on after the Sloan era.

I was saying all of this back then and I knew I was right. I know I'm right with Kanter and Gobert too. The Jazz are making a mistake with this situation. Time will prove it. It's really dumb that we even have to argue about this.

Boozer was one of the best offensive big men in the league playing for us. Whenever he was out with an injury, our offense would kinda disappear more often than not. Millsap was better defensively but was also limited against bigger players. Boozer doesn't get near the credit he deserves for his importance to the team. You could make a case for starting Sap, but it's far from being a given that we'd have been better. Nothing close to the difference between Rudy and Enes.

 

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That's just incorrect.

Millsap was a far better defender than Boozer, along with being a better overall player, but he never got to start over Boozer. I shouldn't have to rehash this argument. It's been proven over time that Millsap has always been the better player. Boozer on other teams can't even get into the starting line up. Sloan refused to see this. Maybe it wasn't Sloan though. I have no idea at this point. It's still going on after the Sloan era.

I was saying all of this back then and I knew I was right. I know I'm right with Kanter and Gobert too. The Jazz are making a mistake with this situation. Time will prove it. It's really dumb that we even have to argue about this.

Boozer was really really good. He started for the Bulls for like three years after leaving the Jazz. He was definitely better than millsap for most of, if not all the time he was here. Jazz fans don't like boozer, and it has blinded them to the fact that he was a legitimate all star here.

 

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Boozer was one of the best offensive big men in the league playing for us. Whenever he was out with an injury, our offense would kinda disappear more often than not. Millsap was better defensively but was also limited against bigger players. Boozer doesn't get near the credit he deserves for his importance to the team. You could make a case for starting Sap, but it's far from being a given that we'd have been better. Nothing close to the difference between Rudy and Enes.

Boozer was really really good. He started for the Bulls for like three years after leaving the Jazz. He was definitely better than millsap for most of, if not all the time he was here. Jazz fans don't like boozer, and it has blinded them to the fact that he was a legitimate all star here.

You guys...

Seriously? Even after you've seen how this has all played out?

We are gonna have to agree to disagree. I don't think Boozer was as good as you are making him out to be. His offense was good not great. His defense was pathetic. Boozer was more of a product of the system, and also had Deron who made him look good.

This is all about what you personally believe wins games. I think defense is a must. Some think it's an option I guess. I don't think you can be a really good team with one way offensive players. You can parade around pretending to be a good team and winning a few games, but you will never truly be a great team.

I'd way rather sacrafice some offense and win with my best defenders. And I'd rather invest the time in players who D up and teach them how to be adequate offensive players. Not the other way around. You can't teach effort. You can teach offense.

 

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You guys...

Seriously? Even after you've seen how this has all played out?

We are gonna have to agree to disagree. I don't think Boozer was as good as you are making him out to be. His offense was good not great. His defense was pathetic. Boozer was more of a product of the system, and also had Deron who made him look good.

This is all about what you personally believe wins games. I think defense is a must. Some think it's an option I guess. I don't think you can be a really good team with one way offensive players. You can parade around pretending to be a good team and winning a few games, but you will never truly be a great team.

I'd way rather sacrafice some offense and win with my best defenders. And I'd rather invest the time in players who D up and teach them how to be adequate offensive players. Not the other way around. You can't teach effort. You can teach offense.

The Jazz had some pretty good seasons. They weren't good enough to get to the finals, but playing Millsap over Boozer wouldn't have been the move to get them there. In fact, it would have moved them in the opposite direction. They are saying that playing Boozer made the Jazz better, and I'd have to agree. Not like Millsap was a terrific defender. He was a 6'6'' dude that would get some cool blocks and rebounds every once in a while. The Spurs and the Lakers still would have wiped the floor with the Jazz, and if one swapped Boozer's minutes with Millsaps' the Jazz would not have even gotten to that position in the first place.

 

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You guys...

Seriously? Even after you've seen how this has all played out?

We are gonna have to agree to disagree. I don't think Boozer was as good as you are making him out to be. His offense was good not great. His defense was pathetic. Boozer was more of a product of the system, and also had Deron who made him look good.

This is all about what you personally believe wins games. I think defense is a must. Some think it's an option I guess. I don't think you can be a really good team with one way offensive players. You can parade around pretending to be a good team and winning a few games, but you will never truly be a great team.

I'd way rather sacrafice some offense and win with my best defenders. And I'd rather invest the time in players who D up and teach them how to be adequate offensive players. Not the other way around. You can't teach effort. You can teach offense.

Sap and boozer were a lot more similar players than rudy and enes. With rudy, there is absolutely no question the team is better with him starting. With sap and boozer, it was about even. Sap was not as big of a liability on defense, but he had no discernable offensive presence. I see where you are coming from, but your boozer hate is blinding your sight of how good he actually was.

 

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But at least we all agree that Rudy > Enes. Really all that matters since it's the present and ish

 

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Da Millsap man and Booze were probably bout equal by the time Boozer ended his time here. They let him play his ish out and then Millsap was ready to step in right after he left. Me thinks playing Millsap over Boozer at the time likely did not make the Jazz discernibly better, otherwise the coach would have done that. At best, it probably would have made them the same level of team overall.