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Why we need to Trade Jefferson through February 6th (Stats)

These kids (kanter, favors) are great, they are out future. Stop kidding yourself that because the limited minutes they get equated to the major minutes Jefferson gets are comparable. When Jefferson has been out this team really struggles. The offense dies often when they are on the board. Most of their point come on put backs and easy shots that are opened up by other players. Yes the have some great moments but they are not ready to carry our back court like Jefferson.

Jefferson has been a big role in us winning if not the biggest reason.
 
Our future depends on Favors and Kanter. They ARE the future. The longer the front office hesitates to let them start and develop, the longer this rebuild project is going to take. Really hope KOC finds the right trade before the deadline, cause I don't want to spend the summer thinking, "Man...I wonder how good Kanter could have been right now if he was actually getting minutes. But hey! It was worth it to make the playoffs! Oh wait....."
 
Broncster said:
These kids (kanter, favors) are great, they are out future. Stop kidding yourself that because the limited minutes they get equated to the major minutes Jefferson gets are comparable. When Jefferson has been out this team really struggles. The offense dies often when they are on the board. Most of their point come on put backs and easy shots that are opened up by other players. Yes the have some great moments but they are not ready to carry our back court like Jefferson.

Jefferson has been a big role in us winning if not the biggest reason.
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Jefferson in the back court? That I've got to see...
 
spycam1 said:
Jefferson in the back court? That I've got to see...
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Carrying the back court meaning the back court sucks and he has to do twice the work. They cant make a shot when he gets double teamed and kick it out plus cant create own shot.
 
spycam1 said:
Our future depends on Favors and Kanter. They ARE the future. The longer the front office hesitates to let them start and develop, the longer this rebuild project is going to take. Really hope KOC finds the right trade before the deadline, cause I don't want to spend the summer thinking, "Man...I wonder how good Kanter could have been right now if he was actually getting minutes. But hey! It was worth it to make the playoffs! Oh wait....."
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Good plan. Trade away any good veterans, suck and lose every game, get high draft picks, instill losing attitude and have no one to teach and work with young guys, trade them away because they never develop since they had to start to early and cant learn, start the new draft picks since they are the future. This plan always works for the perennial losing teams.

Who do you think has been working with the young guys post moves? Jefferson. Who do you think talks to them on the bench and point out mistakes and how to fix them? Jefferson Who do you think talks these kids up and tells them to keep working and they will be great? Jefferson Who do you think they practice against and improve against? Jefferson

Jefferson is not perfect player but he plays hard and he is great with these young kids. He has one of the best attitudes from a veteran who could be replaced by younger guys than I have ever seen.

Your franchise should do everything to win and make it better. If these kids are not better and dont earn minutes over vets they will not develop. Teams who win championships dont bench and trade better players to develop and they dont "tank" seasons on purpose to get higher picks.
 
Ok, a fair attempt, but this is -like often- the wrong approach to the problem. I often repeat myself in these Jefferson discussions, but i don't get a response somehow, so here it goes again:

You can't take jefferson's fg% or efg% and compare them to Favors, Kanter or anyone on this team except Millsap maybe. most of the time he gets the ball too far away from the basket with an iso-type situation, or worse a double team. He's bailing out the team when they don't know what to do, which happens a ton because harris sucks. Millsap would look even worse if he was used this way. Jefferson doesn't have bad stamina imo, but they ask too much from him. You could have this game plan with young Shaq as your center.

I admit, Jefferson's rebounding is miserable and there is no explenation for it. His average numbers are better than what it actually looks like in games. He made some improvements when compared to last season though. His technique is probably bad but i don't have enough knowledge to comment on it.

His defence is slightly below average but Millsap's isn't far ahead. They have bad chemistry on defense. It just doesn't work when you have practically no player on the court that brings some help defense when a big man gets beat. But our defense is pretty solid this year and not our biggest problem.

Also The Thriller is right, which brings me to the passing accusations. His assist numbers are rock solid. He gets nearly no "free" assists through kick outs because our wings can't hit **** from outside.

I don't have anything against trading him for the right deal at the right time, but this continous bashing is not fair to the person or the player.
 
Broncster said:
Good plan. Trade away any good veterans, suck and lose every game, get high draft picks, instill losing attitude and have no one to teach and work with young guys, trade them away because they never develop since they had to start to early and cant learn, start the new draft picks since they are the future. This plan always works for the perennial losing teams.

Who do you think has been working with the young guys post moves? Jefferson. Who do you think talks to them on the bench and point out mistakes and how to fix them? Jefferson Who do you think talks these kids up and tells them to keep working and they will be great? Jefferson Who do you think they practice against and improve against? Jefferson

Jefferson is not perfect player but he plays hard and he is great with these young kids. He has one of the best attitudes from a veteran who could be replaced by younger guys than I have ever seen.

Your franchise should do everything to win and make it better. If these kids are not better and dont earn minutes over vets they will not develop. Teams who win championships dont bench and trade better players to develop and they dont "tank" seasons on purpose to get higher picks.
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I understand your concerns, but you act like this strategy has a 0% chance of working. It HAS worked in the past. It's certainly a risk, but a risk worth taking, imo. If you want to win titles instead of just being pretty good every year, you have to take a chance and let your top picks develop.

And I'm sorry, but I'm sick of all of this "mentor" **** people throw around. Did the past greats have "mentors" they sat around and "learned from" for years and years? No, they got minutes so they could make mistakes, learn from them, and progress into the amazing players we know them as today. You learn from your own mistakes more than anything in life, not just basketball, and I'm concerned that Kanter and Favors aren't being given the opportunity to even make mistakes, resulting in a slower than necessary progression process.
 
Kanter and Favors are the future but throwing them into the fray as starters or giving them starters minutes is not the answer. Things are just fine bringing them a long as they learn and develop. And Al is critical if we want to have a chance at the playoffs which does matter in the development of the young uns. Leave Al right where he is.
 
I would like to see Kanter and Favors get more playing time, especially on nights when Al and Paul struggle. The other option is to go big like LA has done for years. Move Paul to the 3 for a couple of minutes and bring Favors in to play power forward. This would mostly be a defensive alignment without a pure shooter on the outside.
 
Kanters and Favors are getting a good amount of minutes right now. Games they play well they get more. Seems like the coaching staff has the right approach.

And yes most great players have mentors and people they work with to get better. Some of them on the team some of them in the off season. Every successful person in sports or anywhere can tell you people who helped them get there and stay there.
 
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