Will a Jazz player take a knee during the National Anthem this year?

[fgcamel]

maybe, but maybe we are just tired of crybaby liberals. after all their is only so much crying one can hear!

Just stop listening then.

 

[DutchJazzer]

For what it's worth, this is essentially the same argument people use against the confederate flag/confederate monuments. "Can you explain why you have a problem with me flying the confederate flag? I'm doing it to bring awareness to the military heroes of the South and the states rights they were fighting for, not to disrespect the African Americans who were living under slavery."

I'm not saying that I support either point of view, but in both cases you have people doing something that others find offensive for reasons that don't seem offensive to THEM.

Maybe the solution is (a) for those doing the offensive behavior to consider how it's going to be received by those who find it offensive and to tone it down a bit, combined with (b) those who are being offended to not be offended so easily when those on the other side are doing it for a reason that in and of itself isn't offensive.

But that would require people on both sides to be reasonable...

if you take a knee you drive away customers. if you fly a confederate flag you drive away customers.

you have every freedom to do both!

but nfl ticket sales are down. so you migth ask one self. what is more important the money customers give or taking a knee or flying the glorious confederate flag!


ofcourse the players have contracts and wont be affected by 10-15-30% of revenue loss. but future contracts/players might be affected as people will stay away from the product!

when it comes to business live, i leave my politics aside, so i can maximize my income! but you are free to do something else, the consequences will be carried by you, or not

 

[DutchJazzer]

Just stop listening then.

that is what i am saying!

i turn it off.

i never watched nfl never did.

but i stopped listening/watching certain tv shows, because of it!
i am not making the argument for taking a knee or not.

i am making the argument is this a smart business decision! some tv shows do it subtle, others like agents of shield literally let the villains(hydra) use donald trump qoutes and right wing quotes.


SO YES I STOPPED LISTENING to MOST!

 

[Jack Strop]

Why even have the national anthem at sporting events? It's entertainment. Do we stand for the anthem before a movie? I can see it for the Olympics or World Cups, when athletes are supposed to be representing their countries. But half our team is international. Respect the game, respect each other. But just do away with anthems.

 

[Ron Mexico]

maybe, but maybe we are just tired of crybaby liberals. after all their is only so much crying one can hear!

From the one crying loudest and most often.

It's hard to respect someone crying and yelling that everyone else is a "cry baby"

 

[Miggs]

I think fan demographics are also a factor. My guess is that NFL has more conservative and a whiter fan base than the NBA. That's just a guess though. I guess I could look it up... My I'll pull a fish and hope someone else Google's it for me.

Very true. On both accounts.

And I don't blame fish. I've become the same way. Ain't got no time for effort like that.

 

[Ron Mexico]

if you take a knee you drive away customers. if you fly a confederate flag you drive away customers.

you have every freedom to do both!

but nfl ticket sales are down. so you migth ask one self. what is more important the money customers give or taking a knee or flying the glorious confederate flag!


ofcourse the players have contracts and wont be affected by 10-15-30% of revenue loss. but future contracts/players might be affected as people will stay away from the product!

when it comes to business live, i leave my politics aside, so i can maximize my income! but you are free to do something else, the consequences will be carried by you, or not

So money is more important to you than your morals, cool. Makes sense.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Why even have the national anthem at sporting events? It's entertainment. Do we stand for the anthem before a movie? I can see it for the Olympics or World Cups, when athletes are supposed to be representing their countries. But half our team is international. Respect the game, respect each other. But just do away with anthems.

because as i understand it, the on of the same reason p[professional get tax dollars to build stadiums!

 

[Jack Strop]

My other thought is that kneeling is now so cliched. It was novel last year. Almost like touchdown celebrations, teams and athletes are trying to do something different (like staying in the locker room). If fans are offenddd, just quit making such a big fuss. Like internet trolls, if you don't feed them, they'll go away. If no one gives these attention whores what they want, the kneeling will stop. Let's have constructive intercourse, not ineffective grandstanding. Of course, we also need a commander in chief who is presidential instead of one who tweets like a 10-yr old boy.

 

[DutchJazzer]

So money is more important to you than your morals, cool. Makes sense.

no not true. please stop putting words in my mouth


my morals are not the same as the nfl players taking a knee!

if you told me, you get 1 dollar for every abortion that is preformed in usa! thats about 500.000 plus abortiosn a year. i would tell you to shove it!
even if you gave me 10-100-200-1000 dollars per abortion!
my morals are better than as national/democratic or( insert whatever word) socialist

stop putting words in my mouth!

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

Why even have the national anthem at sporting events? It's entertainment. Do we stand for the anthem before a movie? I can see it for the Olympics or World Cups, when athletes are supposed to be representing their countries. But half our team is international. Respect the game, respect each other. But just do away with anthems.

Exactly.

If the flag and the anthem are about dead soldiers who sacrificed themselves for freedom, then why do they need to cross-brand that with popular sports, athletes, Coke, shoe brands, and local banks? Did those soldiers die for the freedom of markets, or people?

Why not hold separate rallies on another occasion instead of this insistence on linking nationalism with products? Because really, this threat to refrain from buying the NBA or NFL products extends to anything that is cross-branded with dead soldiers.

 

[Jack Strop]

because as i understand it, the on of the same reason p[professional get tax dollars to build stadiums!

What does that have to do with playing an anthem? Tax dollars are used because the city/county believes having a pro team will create jobs and bring in revenue. Is the national anthem played before concerts, conventions and other activities in the arena or stadium (outside of national holidays like the 4th of July)?