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Will Markkanen re-sign?

Will Markkanen re-sign with the Jazz

  • Yes

    Votes: 31 91.2%
  • No, he will leave us in free agency

    Votes: 2 5.9%
  • No, we will trade him first

    Votes: 1 2.9%

  • Total voters
    34
No.

But you'll have Kessler and Agbaji and at least two rookie playing major minutes - if that's the strategy. If you're tanking to get to pick higher and overall go with youth, then you obviously play them. If not, what's the point? Not playing anyone but Kessler next year and suddenly getting new vets to replace all the youth... that's just... what??

You blow up this season completely to get a lottery pick and then not even have them in the rotation. Insane.

And the tanking crowd (like sip) want to get back players that help this year's team lose. Those players won't magically then be winning players next year. If you're trading away Conley etc. for players that help you instantly, then obviously that's not tanking - quite the opposite.

And anyone added in free agency can't swallow up the minutes that are supposed to be at least available to the youth. Now, who's going to come to Utah, to play on a young, losing team, playing 22 minutes?
I haven't seen much discussion on tanking NEXT season. Next season ochai might barely play. I have no idea what free agents we will acquire or what trades will be made. I literally have no idea what next seasons roster will look like. Playing vets isnt a problem for the tankers. Tankers are fine with vets like sexton, beasley, vando, and lauri playing. its the old dudes who wont contribute in few years playing big minutes that get the most complaints.

Im hoping to comfortably make the playoffs next season off the backs of youngish players and do some damage. Then win a title in 3 - 5 years in Lauris prime while he is under a max contract with the jazz. Thats my gameplan.
 
No.

But you'll have Kessler and Agbaji and at least two rookie playing major minutes - if that's the strategy. If you're tanking to get to pick higher and overall go with youth, then you obviously play them. If not, what's the point? Not playing anyone but Kessler next year and suddenly getting new vets to replace all the youth... that's just... what??

You blow up this season completely to get a lottery pick and then not even have them in the rotation. Insane.

And the tanking crowd (like sip) want to get back players that help this year's team lose. Those players won't magically then be winning players next year. If you're trading away Conley etc. for players that help you instantly, then obviously that's not tanking - quite the opposite.

And anyone added in free agency can't swallow up the minutes that are supposed to be at least available to the youth. Now, who's going to come to Utah, to play on a young, losing team, playing 22 minutes?


Good lord you are so dramatic. We have already seen that a bunch of our young guys are very capable of providing solid minutes for us.
 
I love how you went out of your way to track down all those posts but not a single one mentions selling the farm and going for an all in tear it down tank. Anyone with a brain knows that it is better for us to get a better draft pick this year and every game that a team around us in the standings wins and we lose is in the best interest of this team. Some people are blind though and love being prisoner of the moment which you seem to be really good at. The only place that leads to is mediocrity.
Well, searching for tank* by sip took all of about three seconds. All of them call for losing as much as possible; even wishing for injuries. Which you said you've never said. You're calling for it right now in your message. So, which is it?

You can want the team to tank, to get good rookies and develop them - and then be contending in 5 years. Or you can want the team to be winning in three years with Markkanen. But you can't have both. Unless you pick young LeBron with whatever pick you have.

I haven't seen much discussion on tanking NEXT season. Next season ochai might barely play. I have no idea what free agents we will acquire or what trades will be made. I literally have no idea what next seasons roster will look like. Playing vets isnt a problem for the tankers. Tankers are fine with vets like sexton, beasley, vando, and lauri playing. its the old dudes who wont contribute in few years playing big minutes that get the most complaints.

Im hoping to comfortably make the playoffs next season off the backs of youngish players and do some damage. Then win a title in 3 - 5 years in Lauris prime while he is under a max contract with the jazz. Thats my gameplan.
Tanking this season and getting a bunch of young players might not mean quite tanking next season, but it definitely means a losing season and no playoffs. And yes, we don't know who's on the roster next year. But if it's not the all the young guys playing meaningful minutes, what on earth was the point of getting them? Why?

This year's team isn't going anywhere. Conley, KO etc. have given the young guys what they have to give. If there's value available, of course trade them. But again, that's not what we're talking about. It's people like sip wanting to lose as much as possible. That means getting losing players on the court, "load managing" Lauri or hoping he has a minor injury that keeps him out for a month. THAT recipe doesn't get you "comfortably in the playoffs" next season; it guarantees not making it.

And guess what, if a year from now the Jazz youth are 22-28 in January, all the same people will be calling for the team to tank in order to get to the lottery to keep the 1st pick.

Good lord you are so dramatic. We have already seen that a bunch of our young guys are very capable of providing solid minutes for us.
Yes, exactly. And a losing season already, even with massive, better-than-expected jumps from several guys. Hopefully the incoming rookie class can do the same and provide those solid minutes. Solid minutes from rookies all around doesn't get you in the playoffs.
 
THAT recipe doesn't get you "comfortably in the playoffs" next season; it guarantees not making it.
Nothing guarantees not making the playoffs next season. Vegas had us winning 23.5 games this season. Almost every team in the league is in the hunt to make the playoffs right now. We have no idea who we add in the next off season. There are no guarantees. Winning as many games as possible right now also doesn't guarantee we will or wont make the playoffs next season. Winning now could actually decrease our chances of making the playoffs next season.
 
We have no idea who we add in the next off season. There are no guarantees. Winning as many games as possible right now also doesn't guarantee we will or wont make the playoffs next season. Winning now could actually decrease our chances of making the playoffs next season.
No, we don't. But if the the whole point is to get rookies and youth, then you'll play them next year, right? Right?

Winning now is neither here nor there. I haven't seen anyone calling for the team to make a real playoff push at the deadline. However, there are people calling to lose as much as possible. That won't just magically happen. It means putting losing players on the court, which you then have on your roster.

And the topic is: Will Markkanen re-sign? Losing as much as possible, through bringing in scrubs and salary albatrosses or whatever (and then playing all the young guys next season), makes it more unprobable he will. That's the cost. Tanking isn't free. Some might be ok with that, some won't. But there's no fantasy land where it has no cost and no effect on Markkanen's decision.
 
Once we traded Royce, Rudy and Donovan, I was all for a “tear it down to the studs - and then burn it down to the foundation” type of tank. I was perfectly willing to trade everyone that came back in those trades and then go with a completely young and inexperienced team.

Once we started the season, and Markkanen, Kessler and Agbaji all showed up and proved to be key pieces moving forward. . . well. . . I don’t want to burn it down to the foundation anymore.

I am still hoping DA tears it down to studs though. I don’t see Conley, Olynyk, Beasley or Gay as being long-term parts of the team, and I have concerns about letting Clarkson hit unrestricted free agency. As such, I’m perfectly willing to see if there’s any type of positive asset that can be acquired by moving them now. If we play heavy minutes to Sexton, THT, NAW, Agbaji, Markkanen, Vando and Kessler and still make the playoffs, great. Plus we’ve cleared up (hopefully) cap space, minutes and roles on the team moving forward. Plus added or improved our assets in the process.

This is a perfect “can’t lose” scenario. . . as long as we don’t stand pat. I feel like shaking things up and making some deals right now would help the team immensely in the long run.
 
That would also be $70M of incoming salary. Probably little of it expiring. Which you have to do something with. Release and wreck cap space; play and take minutes away from others; trade and possibly need to use your assets in the process.
 
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