Wizards At Jazz - 3/18/15 8:30 PM Mountain Time

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I haven't read the entire thread, but it sounds like people, because of his ability on defense, are saying Snyder should have played Exum more rather than going to Trey. Those people might be correct. Hell, as somebody who has been down on Exum since before the draft, I probably agree that Exum should have played more last night and in general. As non-existent as he can be on offense sometimes, it seems he simply doesn't generally hurt the team. However, to defend Snyder, Exum does make it hard on a coach from an offense standpoint, to sit there and watch his team try to play 4 on 5. As good as he can be on defense, you have to make baskets and make the other team defend in order to win basketball games.

Now, having said all that, I've come around on Exum. I still believe, just as I did before the draft, just as I did after summer league and just as I did after 50 games that he will never be an all-star caliber player. But that's okay. Gobert is the Jazz "superstar". He's their game changer, their franchise player. Hayward can be an all-star, Favors can be an all-star type guy, Hood and/or Burks have the potential to be borderline all-star type players. The Jazz just need Exum to knock down open threes at a decent rate, defend and get the ball to guys who can score. It's interesting because there were a lot of us out there hoping the Jazz would draft their superstar of the future in the 2014 draft. Turns out they got him in the 2013 draft and just need their 2014 pick to be a solid member of the starting lineup who can play 30-35 minutes a game.

WHen Exum is playing that on offense, it's kind of a lose/lose situation no matter who you play.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

WHen Exum is playing that on offense, it's kind of a lose/lose situation no matter who you play.

Right. You said it better in fewer words. Bottom line, Snyder is almost forced to just try something different and hope it works out.

 

[Fabtrey]

Did not watch the second half, but in the first half Wall was very quiet until Trey came in. Wall said "This guy? Okay, here I go." Trey is hopeless on D against guys like that.

wall didn't score much in the 1st half. he scored like 5pts. with 5assists. most assists came in when exum was guarding him. and wall is a rhythm shooter. he gets into a groove. Wall got into a rhythm in the 2nd half. some bad D by trey, but alot of good offense by wall. exum would've done better defending wall, but wall was making everything. contested off balance 3s. hell even 19ft rainbow right over gobert. Wall was averaging 22.5 pts in past 5 games. so it's not like wall can't score.

Trey was needed in the 2nd half. exum was benched early in the 3rd qtr because Snyder had it enough. exum wasn't doing anything, and he fouled wall twice i think and missed 2 long jumpers. exum just looked like a lost rookie to me.

those who bitching about not putting exum back in needs to take a chill pill. exum is the future, but he wasn't ready last night. results would've been the same. it's not like wizard scored 100+ on us. we almost pulled it off. stop bitchin. we all know trey is a liability on D and exum is a liability on O. but offense was needed last night. trey was a big part that we were in the game.

 

[Beer]

It felt like we were down 25 the entire 2nd half. The fact it was even winnable was amazing in and of itself.

 

[LogGrad98]

WHen Exum is playing that on offense, it's kind of a lose/lose situation no matter who you play.

Right. You said it better in fewer words. Bottom line, Snyder is almost forced to just try something different and hope it works out.

Ich stimme zu.

That was the problem...put in Exum and you had a chance to slow down Wall, but then you hurt our chances to score ourselves. Put in Burke and you get some scoring, albeit incredibly inefficiently, but you basically give away a position on defense. Lose-lose is right.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

wall didn't score much in the 1st half. he scored like 5pts. with 5assists. most assists came in when exum was guarding him. and wall is a rhythm shooter. he gets into a groove. Wall got into a rhythm in the 2nd half. some bad D by trey, but alot of good offense by wall. exum would've done better defending wall, but wall was making everything. contested off balance 3s. hell even 19ft rainbow right over gobert. Wall was averaging 22.5 pts in past 5 games. so it's not like wall can't score.

Trey was needed in the 2nd half. exum was benched early in the 3rd qtr because Snyder had it enough. exum wasn't doing anything, and he fouled wall twice i think and missed 2 long jumpers. exum just looked like a lost rookie to me.

those who bitching about not putting exum back in needs to take a chill pill. exum is the future, but he wasn't ready last night. results would've been the same. it's not like wizard scored 100+ on us. we almost pulled it off. stop bitchin. we all know trey is a liability on D and exum is a liability on O. but offense was needed last night. trey was a big part that we were in the game.

Wall hit some tough shots too. It wasn't like Dante was shutting him down.

I think Rodney and Exum missed a couple shots early and started passing up the 3s they should take. We sucked shooting 3s and free throws... Wiz made some incredibly tough shots... and we still almost won that game. Give us one vet that can score and we win that game going away.

 

[nightmare3983]

I'm sure this was discussed earlier in the thread, but had anybody ever seen a travel called on somebody inbounding the ball on the sidelines before Pierce was called for it last night? That was a first for me.

 

[zman1527]

wall didn't score much in the 1st half. he scored like 5pts. with 5assists. most assists came in when exum was guarding him. and wall is a rhythm shooter. he gets into a groove. Wall got into a rhythm in the 2nd half. some bad D by trey, but alot of good offense by wall. exum would've done better defending wall, but wall was making everything. contested off balance 3s. hell even 19ft rainbow right over gobert. Wall was averaging 22.5 pts in past 5 games. so it's not like wall can't score.

Trey was needed in the 2nd half. exum was benched early in the 3rd qtr because Snyder had it enough. exum wasn't doing anything, and he fouled wall twice i think and missed 2 long jumpers. exum just looked like a lost rookie to me.

those who bitching about not putting exum back in needs to take a chill pill. exum is the future, but he wasn't ready last night. results would've been the same. it's not like wizard scored 100+ on us. we almost pulled it off. stop bitchin. we all know trey is a liability on D and exum is a liability on O. but offense was needed last night. trey was a big part that we were in the game.

I agree with all of that. My point really was that when Exum was on Wall, Wall had to work pretty hard to get something. Now he did not really push it during the first half admitted. But when Trey was "guarding" him, it was really like he (Trey) was not there.

So my point is not so much about last night's game, it is about Trey and his value to the team going forward. He is the next Kanter to me: good O, team-wrecking D. Our identity is now on D and Trey does not have the tools, the quicks or the length, to compete on D. Dante is NOT a good starter now, but solid to very very good on D. His O is coming around a bit and we just have to be patient, and add a piece or two.

 

[Qman]

I'm sure this was discussed earlier in the thread, but had anybody ever seen a travel called on somebody inbounding the ball on the sidelines before Pierce was called for it last night? That was a first for me.

I have seen it in lower level games- high school etc. But never in the NBA.

 

[sahlensguy]

I'm not sure what the problem is? Exum left the game with zero points and zero assists after two quick fouls to Wall. Wall was in his groove at that point. Trey did have Utah's only three point bucket in the first half. We needed his offense. And BTW, pretty sure it was Trey guarding Wall on that fumbled inbound pass at the end.

 

[Stoked]

I'm not sure what the problem is? Exum left the game with zero points and zero assists after two quick fouls to Wall. Wall was in his groove at that point. Trey did have Utah's only three point bucket in the first half. We needed his offense. And BTW, pretty sure it was Trey guarding Wall on that fumbled inbound pass at the end.

That fumbled pass was on Wall and not his defender. Wall had Burke beat, he simply took his eye off the ball to soon and misgudged.

 

[sahlensguy]

That fumbled pass was on Wall and not his defender. Wall had Burke beat, he simply took his eye off the ball to soon and misgudged.

It was still Burke who played Wall close to the baseline. That was the key on the T.O. Bad inbounds by Wash. perhaps, but props to Try for pushing it to the baseline.