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Woj: Celtics working to land both Gordon Hayward and Paul George

BTW If we are going to be mediocre for the next 4 years, just give Milos what he wants... at least he will be fun to watch once in a while. God, it is so depressing thinking about the treadmill.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I don't want any part of him regardless. If Hayward walks, I wanna go pure youth. Package Favors, Hood and the OKC 1st for a really good, young, long 3 with a lot of upside. Someone like Jonathan Isaac but who is actually attainable. Roll with that guy, Exum, Mitchell, Bolomboy and Gobert in the starting five en route to a top 3 pick. Get a stud next year and go from there.
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I agree. If Hayward stays, I want to find a way to get Iggy. If he leaves, there is little reason to get Iggy.

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Catchall said:
Yeah, but the Celtics aren't better than the Jazz. If the Celtics played in the Western Conference and had to play the elite teams in the west 3 or 4 time per year instead of 2, they would be a 48-win team and probably a 6th or 7th seed. The only real advantage the Celtics have is that they're in the Eastern Conference. Their talent level isn't really better than the Wizards or Raptors. The Raptors actually looked better than the Celtics when they played head to head.
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With Hayward, the Celtics are better than the Jazz with Hayward. They just have more weapons and quality depth.

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stitches said:
By tank I mean deliberate losing. Constructing the team and making decisions to maximize the chances that we pick as high as possible. You can do it for just 1 year. I'm not saying we will be competing for a title in year 2. I'm saying we tank 1 year, we take our superstar at no. 1(Porter jr for example, hopefully) and we start building up around him and Gobert. By year 3 IMO we are going to be contending for playoffs with core around Exum/Mitchell-Hood(maybe, if we don't trade him)-Porter/Doncic-Gobert + additions in FA or through other trades. This way in year 3 you hopefully have at least 3 building cornerstones/stars(Porter, Gobert + one of the others(depends on who pans out)). The alternative is to stack the team with vets going into their 30s who will be finished by the time Gobert's contract is coming for extension. In one case you will have a young core around hopefully 3 budding stars with future in the league, in the other you will have a Gobert with limited vets taking the developmental time of Exum/Mitchell/ etc. on the treadmill.
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We ain't getting the #1 pick with our roster minus hayward doe.
 
fishonjazz said:
We ain't getting the #1 pick with our roster minus hayward doe.
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You trade all the vets for future assets - Favors, JJ, (sign Ingles to keep him as an asset and trade him at trade deadline), possibly even Hood(I'm still not sure about this one...), Neto

Take a flyer on Jabari Parker if his value is super low(I don't know if that's the case). Trade Favors+Hood for him for example... something like that.

Put a roster full of rookies on the floor and watch them lose. Give Exum the chance to run point. Let him turn it over on 25% of possessions, let him develop his PG skills without any regard for winning, without worrying about keeping him on a leash, etc.

PG: Exum, Marcus Paige, Nigel Williams-Goss
SG: Donovan Mitchell, Tyrone Wallace,
SF: Hood(or not, if you manage to trade him for something good), Ingles(for half the year), some minimum contract. UDFA
PF: Joel Bolomboy, some minimum contract or young UDFA
C: Gobert(limit his minutes, shut him down the first time he gets nicked), Bradley, some other min contract.

We can also absorb some bad contracts/players for assets. Opportunistically take some flyers on young players if they are cheap(Hezonja for example).

How many games do we win? I mean, we might not be the absolute worst team in the league, but how many games do we win giving 7 rookies/second year players 20+ minutes a game? I think we can get a top 3 pick this way. The biggest deterrent is really the possibility you piss off Gobert. That's why you need to talk to him and he needs to be in on it and he needs to know what we are doing and what the plan is. You'd be shocked just how many games a bunch of rookies can lose for you.
 
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Ron Mexico said:
My point is that you stick to your opinion regardless.

He looked better to me when he was on the court. Stats help show he was better across the season. When he got minutes consistently in the second half of the season it was not really close. When Exum got minutes in the playoffs it was not really close.

Its okay to not like Exum and think he is a bust. It will be easy to see in a few years.
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I don't think it's so much that he doesn't like X, I just think he is a big fan of mack
 
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