Isaiah 1:13
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Yep that's really the hardest part and probably the reason why we fell so flat tonight. This group has been so tight, you can feel it as a fan and part of the reason this season has been so special imo.
Woj: Jazz agree to 3-team trade with Lakers and Timberwolves
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Isaiah 1:13
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Right sure you did! Keep telling yourself that and you might actually believe it, BRUTE!!!
I think the trade is meh. Would I have liked better? Yes! Would I have liked no protection on the pick... or even the second pick included? Of course... Would have I wanted us to not give up 2nd round picks? Yeah...
But I feel like people undervalue the 27 pick. Even lightly protected it's still overwhelmingly likely that it will convey to us. Even if they are the worst team in the league that year, we still get about 50% chance that the pick is conveyed. Those type of picks still have very high value in the league, which has to factor in the equation too - don't think of that pick just as a pick, think of it as potential trade capital too. I personally like this pick better than say... 2 lottery protected picks for example.
And those seconds... less than ideal but again - keep in mind we are getting tons of picks coming our way in the next 5-6 years so it will become increasingly hard to roster all of those.
And of course... since the moment we traded Mitchell and Gobert, the real prize this year is the chance to win the Wemby sweepstakes. I'm glad we picked that road. It's probably too late now, but still I hope we raise our odds significantly by the end of the year.
But I feel like people undervalue the 27 pick. Even lightly protected it's still overwhelmingly likely that it will convey to us. Even if they are the worst team in the league that year, we still get about 50% chance that the pick is conveyed. Those type of picks still have very high value in the league, which has to factor in the equation too - don't think of that pick just as a pick, think of it as potential trade capital too. I personally like this pick better than say... 2 lottery protected picks for example.
And those seconds... less than ideal but again - keep in mind we are getting tons of picks coming our way in the next 5-6 years so it will become increasingly hard to roster all of those.
And of course... since the moment we traded Mitchell and Gobert, the real prize this year is the chance to win the Wemby sweepstakes. I'm glad we picked that road. It's probably too late now, but still I hope we raise our odds significantly by the end of the year.
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This deal gets A on the aspects of flexibility (Cap + asset flexibility) and picking a direction (tank obviously). So those are the big positives. Of course not positives for those who hoped the direction wouldnt be full tank.
In terms of player development going forward, I will give this a B. We cleared the logjam on guards which means Sexton, Ochai and THT are the biggest beneficiaries in this minutes-wise. Thats a big plus. However we only moved 1 vet and 3 young guys.. so JC, KO and Gay still remain while Vando and NAW wont get a chance to improve with us anymore.
In terms of value of assets this gets a C at best.
- We didnt get "the coveted asset" which many believe to be a top pick in 2027. Lakers tanking to a bottom 4 record that year would give them over 50% odds of keeping the pick in which case we get only a 2nd, and the return haul ends up being much worse than what trading those individual pieces would have given us. This is just a huge gamble in terms of draft asset value.
- Players in are absolutely end of bench.. seeing they were end of bench in a team that had way worse bench than we did. So whatever the players out were valued for, there is no return value so its just a clear dump of player assets.
We made friends with this for sure... but the biggest negative is that we risk helping the Wolves with this and end up on the losing side in this years draft (albeit we will never know where Wolves would have ended up without this trade). My eyeball test on the Wolves has been that they are a bad team and I was pretty sure they would fall out of the play in with the schedule they have... but now with DLo out and Conley in I gotta run that test again.
In terms of player development going forward, I will give this a B. We cleared the logjam on guards which means Sexton, Ochai and THT are the biggest beneficiaries in this minutes-wise. Thats a big plus. However we only moved 1 vet and 3 young guys.. so JC, KO and Gay still remain while Vando and NAW wont get a chance to improve with us anymore.
In terms of value of assets this gets a C at best.
- We didnt get "the coveted asset" which many believe to be a top pick in 2027. Lakers tanking to a bottom 4 record that year would give them over 50% odds of keeping the pick in which case we get only a 2nd, and the return haul ends up being much worse than what trading those individual pieces would have given us. This is just a huge gamble in terms of draft asset value.
- Players in are absolutely end of bench.. seeing they were end of bench in a team that had way worse bench than we did. So whatever the players out were valued for, there is no return value so its just a clear dump of player assets.
We made friends with this for sure... but the biggest negative is that we risk helping the Wolves with this and end up on the losing side in this years draft (albeit we will never know where Wolves would have ended up without this trade). My eyeball test on the Wolves has been that they are a bad team and I was pretty sure they would fall out of the play in with the schedule they have... but now with DLo out and Conley in I gotta run that test again.
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Jazzmix
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Why? We did get away the secound rounders..
